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nipper
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From: harrow middlesex
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Posted: 2009-10-17 14:05
having read the other thread on 9 ball rule i want to raise this one this came up in a money match between daz & imran v karl & chris a few months ago, chris called safe and potted the ball on leaving the other side hooked at which point daz and jim looked at each other and told chris that he was not allowed to do that , after much debate the shot was replayed to a different outcome, now i said the shot was legal and should stand, but as in so many things the mob ruled, so guys what do you think is the correct ruling for this one. paul [ This message was edited by: BigDave on 2009-10-17 15:56 ]
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Buckster_uk
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Posted: 2009-10-17 14:16
As far as I am aware you cannot do this in 10-ball. I had this exact situation at an event at Mickeys and it took me and Richard a couple of minutes going through the rules to find out that the opponent can then decide to turn the table back over to the player that played the safety shot.
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wayne
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Posted: 2009-10-17 15:12
Seems you are correct Buckster
Copy/Paste from WPA & BCA rules:
9.6 Safety
The shooter, after the break at anytime may call “safety” which permits him to make contact with the legal object ball
without pocketing a ball and end his inning. However, if the shooter pockets the legal object ball the incoming player
has the option to play the shot as left, or hand it back to his opponent.
(See 9.7 Wrongfully Pocketed Balls which also applies during a safety.)
BCA
2.8
(Abbreviated) On a safety, your inning ends after the shot regardless of whether you pocket any ball.
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InsideEnglish
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Posted: 2009-10-17 17:44
What is the difference between a safety, and just missing the ball on.
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nipper
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From: harrow middlesex
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Posted: 2009-10-17 21:22
well spotted guys, it lookes like the wpa added some new rules for this year what if chris called another pocket before pocketing the ball [ This message was edited by: nipper on 2009-10-17 21:22 ]
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BPotter
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Posted: 2009-10-18 03:35
If you fluke a ball (as its call shots) you can be put back in to shoot. If he had called the other pocket it would have been considered a fluke thus jim and daz could have just put him back in hooked.
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malaguista
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Posted: 2009-10-18 06:15
I have spoken about the safety rule to the WPA representatives and really have not had a satisfactory answer.
I studied the rules before the World Ten Ball Championships so that I would know what was going on and I just couldn´t understand the necessity for calling a safety.
If you don´t intend to pocket the ball you can call safety but why do it.
In 8 Ball you can call safety and pocket a ball and the other player then has to carry on but not in 10 ball.
As other people have already said, if you call a safety and then pocket the ball, the opponent has the option to shoot or not.
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nipper
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From: harrow middlesex
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Posted: 2009-10-18 11:05
i can see why this has happened,
when the WPA changed 10 ball to call shot they used the rules from 8 ball thinking thats job done,
that was their mistake but at least they are prepared to change and adapt them,
to get rid of the confusion around this issue i think the WPA should now get rid of the safety rule compleatley as it has now become a nonsense
where does it say a player can be made to play again after a fluke
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malaguista
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Posted: 2009-10-18 15:14
I think that there has been a misunderstanding here. In 9 ball a fluke is where you intend to pot in the corner pocket for example and the object ball goes into the centre pocket. That can´t happen in 10 ball as it is call shot.
If you pocket the OB in a pocket that was not called, the opponent can put you back in if he doesn´t like the shot that you left him.
The rules as they are are with us now until 1st January 2013 which is the date that they can be changed
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nipper
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From: harrow middlesex
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Posted: 2009-10-18 15:57
thank's for that peter is the eurotour in spain to be 10 ball
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malaguista
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Posted: 2009-10-18 16:53
Yes it is
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