UK 8 Ball
Topic: EPT Ranking points

im really happy and excited to be apart of the EPT tour. ive been to evry one so far and its getting better and better! but there's one little gripe i have lol. i feel its a bit dissapointing that if you get knocked out in the last 128 that u dont get a ranking point.
mainly because it means that you havent been rewarded for playing in the event also the travel and costs etc, it also means that players who havent attended are no worse off for not being at the event. as we all no now your ranking is going to be more and more important in the future.
what do other people think???? or am i being a mard lol!!
cheers

i would agree with that!!!! good point

Why should you be 'rewarded' for losing your 1st match? Travel & cost is something that's part & parcel of life my friend!! Just my opinion...

i understand what u mean part and parcel, maybe rewarded is the wrong word, yeah u have lost your first match but by getting a point it gives u a sense of acheivement for turning up!

imo there should be no points for first round. the rankings should decide who the better players are, not who turns up the most. the ept ranking system is spot on

disagree they should get something merit points per frame won.......good option one i and lot of other tours used!!
and it will seperate rankings higher up aswell!

only get merit points for 1st round!or prelims.

Fair point dazzling.

yeah its not about who turns up the most obviously, but agreeing with daz, to be merited for being in the tournament as ive said its gives u a sense of acheivement

Some very interesting comments here.

The main reason for the way the EPT ranking system is worked is to reward players for winning matches, and then secondly reward players for winning by bigger margins. But the point about "rewarding" players for showing support for the tour go's a long way and i think that players who lose there 128 match should get something to show there commitment to the tour.

The thing is, it would not be fair to change the criteria for rankings next season as it would mean that players playing next year will benifit more than this seasons entrants.

If there was to be a change, then i think it would be best to count back through the 3 events that have already taken place and use the system right from the very first event.

If this were the case, it would slightly change the way that the bottom half of the list looks at the moment.

But i really think this is a great idea so i will look into it a little before making a decision.

Meanwhile if anyone wants to offer more input it would be great.


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From my point of view...

As of yet, have not played the proper 8 ball....most of my history is in the English version and the 9 ball tour, but will surely play in one of these events as soon as funds allow..
Personally, if I am contributing to the prize fund for the top players, I would like some reward for that. Yes the winners should get the most benefit, don't think anyone would with argue with that, but the 'little guys' contribute too. Given how young the tour is at the moment, my own feeling is that backdating the rankings is relatively painless.
Wish I could have been at Solihull.
Hope you take the EPT to bigger and better things..
As you promote..it is 'The Players Tour', so reward the players...

Shaggy

couldnt have said it better!!!!

Shaggy, good post mate.....and yes, the EPT is the players tour and we will try our best to reward ALL players.
Every player is important, from no1 to no200.

I can announce one thing that WILL be put into place from the next EPT event......We will be paying down to 32nd place. I cant yet say exactly what the prize for last32 will be because we are also looking into raising the whole prize fund for each event....more info will be announced on this once its in place.....one thing that i can say is that it will be a worth while sum!!

We are currently looking into ways to help players at the bottom end of the rankings get more value for their money. We have a few good ideas which we will be looking into in more detail to see if they are viable.

Beleive me, we want EVERY EPT PLAYER to benefit from the tour in one way or another, and we are working hard to be able to acheive this.


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one easy way to do it would be the following...

Ultimately the most important point has to be winning and losing matches... this should decide the basic structure of the ranking list, as it is now. Therefore, points awarded for winning matches must outweigh merit points for racks won in such a way that someone who won one match 10-9 say and lost one match 10-0 should be higher in the rankings that somene that lost two matches 10-9. or even 3 matches 10-9, or perhaps not? is there a point where it should cross over? i.e. someone winning one match and losing 5 matches 10-0 should be below someone who lost all his matches 10-9? is this justifiable... I'd say it probably is... since such results do more accurately reflect the players ability.

I'd say that somone who won one match and lost 5, 10-0 is clearly not as good as a player who has lost 6 matches 10-9. Does anyone agree with this?

Anyway... if you take this as a reasonable premis we have to start by chosing the cross over... in other words, how many racks are worth the same as winning one match? I would probably go for something like 40 or 50 racks lets say 50 cause it's a nice round number (I guess this number can be massaged later). Bare in mind this is for first round only, it has to hold true for all rounds. i.e. racks won in later rounds are worth more merit points than racks won in earlier rounds.It then follows that:

1 rack in first round would be worth 1/50 of a ranking point.
1 rack in second round would be worth 3/50 of a ranking point.
1 rack in third round " 6/50 of ranking point
1 rack in fourth round " 9/50 of a point
1 rack in quarter final = 12/50 of a point
1 rack in semi final = 15/50 of a point
1 rack in final = 20/50 of a point

in this instance I'm not adding merit points for people who win a match... so if you make 10 racks you lose all your merit points for the 9 racks you won before winning the match and you gain the full points for that win.

so now it would make sense to multiply all these numbers by 50 to get sensible values, i.e. first round winners would get 50 points and someone who lost in the first round but won 7 racks.. would get 7 points. easy! all that's left for the powers that be to do is chose the number where the crossover should occur... should it be 50? 40? 30?

anyone have any thoughts on this idea, or am I just going barking mad?

how about giving me an easier draw lol????

Jonni, interesting but quite complicated.

Personally i think that 1 match win is worth 100 10-9 losses....because no matter who you are you dont go to an event to lose 10-9, you go to try and win matches, so any player who acheives this should be rewarded.


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when looking at your comments daryl thats fantastic news, all of us EPT players are important and its good to see that u are looking to merit everybody. top 32 thing thats superb!! cant wait for the next event shame its not till next year!

Ok daz.. point taken, but in this case why are we even discussing this? if that's what you believe, and this is your tour.. then the ranking should stay as it is...

I do have one question though... how come the increase in points awarded follows no discernable pattern? have a look at the numbers:

1x64 = 64
3x32 = 96
6x16 = 96
9x8 = 72
12x4 = 48
15x2 = 30
20x1 = 20

I can understand the numbers in the right hand column either falling steadily or remaining constant.. but rising then falling.. seems unfair both on the people that only win one match.. and on the people who get to the semis and finals... bare in mind I'm only looking at this from a mathematical point of view.

can you tell us what logic you applied in the first place to arrive at the ranking points you have?

cheers mate.

On 2006-10-17 22:06 , paddy147 Wrote:

you got one, you just blew it!

how about making each place give ten times as much points,

l64=10
l32=30
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1st=200

then give 1 point for each rack won in your losing match?

eg if you lose 10-5 in the last 32 you would get 30 points for last 32 plus 5 for racks....

35 points