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BigTone
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Posted: 2007-03-05 13:38
Hi all.
I would be interested in peoples comments about the rule change on the break shot this weekend at the BPPPA.
I appreciate the slow break kills the game but feel this new rule is not the answer. I have a sledgehammer break but was caught out on three occasions this weekend, when in honesty i couldnt of hit them any harder!.
I appreciate the efforts that Shir puts in, and appreciate her contribution to the BPPPA, but feel on this particular issue, its not what the majority of the players want?
So please give feedback - Either way, but lets keep it polite!
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markgray
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Posted: 2007-03-05 13:50
I personally think its a lot better,i dont have the biggest break in the game by any stretch of the imagination but i didnt have a dry break all weekend,so as long as the tables are tapped properly and all the balls are touching this should not be a problem.
I played Phil Burford one of the top junior players in this country and he had a more powerful break than most of the adults!!!!
Also this is the rule they play on the Euro tour so i think its good to have some consistency in the game?
Mark.
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BigTone
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Posted: 2007-03-05 14:00
your not wrong about phil's break, its cracking.
And except for one thing i agree with uniformity in the rules through the various bodies Mark, but how will this rule fair when using Riley club tables? especially outside of Stretford.
Most Rileys dont use Simonis 860, on the euro tour they do. ?.
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dazzler
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Posted: 2007-03-05 14:08
I personally never failed to get at least 3 balls past the head string....and i wasnt giving my break anything like full throttle !! The main thing with this rule is that ALL the tables are tapped correctly......and this wasnt the case at the weekend, when the ref had to continually keep RE-tapping some tables. The reason for this is because the cloths were not new, and the tables had been already tapped a few weeks earlier for the other event, and the position of the racks were not EXACTLY the same as before....hence the odd table not racking too well. I personally think that its much better.....and most players that i spoke to felt the same. ----------------- 
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BigTone
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Posted: 2007-03-05 14:28
With Ya new toy on your break cue earl, ahem, i mean dazzler, surely you dont need 100%   Back to the tables though, your right about the re-teapping but we're never gonna get new cloths all the time. (although with most events at manchester, including the wheelchair event, they're gonna get some hammer). Top Pro's 2 Chopper 0!
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nicknameless
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Posted: 2007-03-05 15:18
Definitely an improvement, although the re-tapping of tables is less than ideal, and made for difficult racking on one of the tables I played on. I didn't have an occasion where I fell foul of this rule at the weekend although I played like such a muppet that I only had 2 matches anyhow! I think the problem only arises if a solid contact isn't made on the 1 ball, even on Riley's shagpile carpets.
There is perhaps a loophole in this rule as on the occasion where my opponent did have to turn over the table after a poor break I was actually hooked on the next ball and had to push, thereby putting me at a disadvantage!! I would have thought the rule would have given the incoming player choice over loss of turn for his opponent in such situations. Ah well.
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pooljedi
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Posted: 2007-03-05 16:01
i think table 15 was the one i played on that was bad and i think me and my opponent struggled to get the break legal but overall i think it is a good thing to have uniform rules we just need to make sure the tap is done right from the start i started bugging me all the retapping while im trying to play my shot
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dazzler
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Posted: 2007-03-05 17:10
On 2007-03-05 15:18 , nicknameless Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Definitely an improvement, although the re-tapping of tables is less than ideal, and made for difficult racking on one of the tables I played on. I didn't have an occasion where I fell foul of this rule at the weekend although I played like such a muppet that I only had 2 matches anyhow! I think the problem only arises if a solid contact isn't made on the 1 ball, even on Riley's shagpile carpets.
There is perhaps a loophole in this rule as on the occasion where my opponent did have to turn over the table after a poor break I was actually hooked on the next ball and had to push, thereby putting me at a disadvantage!! I would have thought the rule would have given the incoming player choice over loss of turn for his opponent in such situations. Ah well. Yeah i know how ya feel mate....happened to me twice in the quarter final against James Kay....he fail to get the 3 balls past the line and i was hooked both times! Also as you say polljedi, the banging going on after they had already been tapped wasnt good for the concentration! By the way its "tapping" the rack.......not Cracking the slate! -----------------
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Bangkokpoolman
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Posted: 2007-03-05 19:06
tell me guys, does this mean the balls come to rest below the line or can go in and out of bulk?
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dazzler
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Posted: 2007-03-05 19:25
can go in and out.....cue ball not included. -----------------
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Bangkokpoolman
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Posted: 2007-03-05 19:27
thx mate, oh im off to bangkok thurs, be back for harrow though, see you then.
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-03-06 07:53
Though I fell foul of the rule change 2 or 3 times in my first match I personally I thought the rule change was spot on. It did the job it was meant to do which was to cut out the soft break and make for more interesting matches. I don't think there's much you can do about the table tapping situation when the same tables are being used time and time again for tournaments. That's just one of those things we have to accept until deals are done with other venues.
It's great to hear some positive comments and to see people are really enjoying these events.
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RACKRUNNER21
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Posted: 2007-03-06 08:06
I agree i think it is alot better than the old way, it stops the really slow breaks, i have to say tho it would be alot easier with faster cloth.
Sometimes you can hit the one solid get 2 down and then a ball which has to pass the line gets kicked and then you have to pass but that is quite rare.
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dazzler
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Posted: 2007-03-06 09:13
On 2007-03-05 19:27 , Bangkokpoolman Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! thx mate, oh im off to bangkok thurs, be back for harrow though, see you then. ok buddy....have a safe trip and we'll see ya down Harrow  -----------------
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-03-06 09:50
On 2007-03-06 08:06 , RACKRUNNER21 Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! I agree i think it is alot better than the old way, it stops the really slow breaks, i have to say tho it would be alot easier with faster cloth.
Sometimes you can hit the one solid get 2 down and then a ball which has to pass the line gets kicked and then you have to pass but that is quite rare. Exactly, the point being you are unlikely to find a perfect solution and on balance this one worked pretty well.
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