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glossopscratcher
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Posted: 2007-12-20 22:15
after ronnies amazing 147 i was wondering what is the equilavent in 9ball?? football have hat-ricks.. golf hole in ones etc views??....... 
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chirst147
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Posted: 2007-12-20 22:21
Running out all racks in a winner breaks match??
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glossopscratcher
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Posted: 2007-12-20 22:38
yeah thats all what i could think of, not done very often in big matches is it?
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chirst147
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Posted: 2007-12-20 23:39
not sure it's been done at all.
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TheWizard
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Posted: 2007-12-21 01:09
I think that it has been done before, but it's a rare event  I think that Earl Strickland may have done it years ago, when he won $1M for running 10 racks, but I think he something like 13? racks and out, but I'm not 100% sure on this, perhaps someone can ellaborate on this? Other than that, playing a perfect match (Breaking and running out a match from winning the lag) is the closest equivilent to a 147 in snooker The only other thing in American Pool that I can think of that would be the equilivent, but a little tougher to do, than a 147 in snooker is, to run 150+ and out in straight pool and I'm aware that Mike Sigel has done this quite a few times in the US Open SPC events on a number of occasions , most notably against Mike Zuglan in the 200? US Open SPC, which was a perfect game for Sigel as he ran 150 and out on his first visit at the table Willie
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Posted: 2007-12-21 01:43
lol, yes I am pretty sure that Earl has the record for most consecutive break run0outs at 13 in a row. Amazing really
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malaguista
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Posted: 2007-12-21 07:25
In 1996 Earl ran 11 racks against Nick Maninno, there was a special prize of £1,000,000 for any player who could run 10 racks.
The prize was guaranteed by an insurance company who (Typically) later refused to pay out saying that it was too easy.
I am not sure whether they eventually paid out all or part of the money.
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thediamond
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Posted: 2007-12-21 08:24
They refused to pay on the grounds that the Tournament Director (and great player), C J Wiley, had specifically stated that the racks needed to be 'run' while some of the racks Earl had combinations on the 9 early on in a few racks. They tried to use the argument that the rack was not 'run' if he had a 1-9 combo so the agreement was not fulfilled (in their eyes). I heard from a close source that they settled on $200,000 but history will always state he won $1,000,000...and why not? Earl potted all the balls and the poor kid never got to the table. Awesome achievement. [ This message was edited by: thediamond on 2007-12-21 08:26 ]
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TheWizard
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Posted: 2007-12-21 09:07
Thank you guys for correcting me on the number of racks that Earl ran, as I wasn't certain if it was 11 or 13, typical insurance companies, always keen to take money, but not so keen to pay it out, but at least Earl got something for the efforts, but it still should've been the full cool $1M. C J Wiley, is definitely another great player, in fact he was also a Mosconi Cup competitor for Team USA in '95, in which Europe had won it for the first time Willie
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mal_clarke
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Posted: 2007-12-21 09:14
Nils Feijen ran 15 racks at a European event a couple of years ago, either 2005 or 2004 I think. I may be wrong but it was covered either on here or AZ.
Quentin Hann ran 11 against Oliver Ortmann in the World Masters in 2000 or 01 I think aswell.
I remember (although only around 14 or so at the time) C J was very tough to beat in early Mosconi matches.
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thecardman
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Posted: 2007-12-21 09:15
Peter, regarding the Strickland 11-rack run, I heard the insurance company eventually settled out of court and paid nearer $600,000! Still a fair chuck o' change! Willie, Sigel's 150-and-out on his first visit against Zuglan was in 1992. This beat the previous best from 1989, which he did against Jim Rempe - 150 and out on his second visit (Sigel had lost the lag in that match and won it against Zuglan!). Am I not right in thinking that Niels Feijen that holds the record for most consecutive racks run in 9-ball? And to finally answer the original question - my own personal thoughts is that running 10 racks in a row is 9-Ball's equivalent of snooker's 147. Best wishes thecardman www.scottish9ball.com
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TheWizard
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Posted: 2007-12-21 09:25
Thanks Pete, I should've remember it was '92 and not 2000.... D'OH!, but I know one thing, it would be awesome to watch the accu-stats tapes of the High Run Kings, where it's all 100+ runs that are shown by various players, inc the late legendary Willie Mosconi, I think there are 2x High Run Series tapes/DVD's on accu-stats, but I'm not 100% certain on that That reminds me, have you any of those Straight Pool DVD's handy? I'm not sure who holds the record for the most consecutive racks of 9ball, as I haven't been following pool that much over the past while, just bits'n'bobs here and there Willie
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-12-21 10:17
Am I missing something here? Are we really suggesting a 150 at straight pool is equivalent of a 147 at snooker? Havin' a laugh right?
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TheWizard
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Posted: 2007-12-21 10:25
No havin a laugh at all Riggers In snooker a 147 is a run of 36 balls, (15 reds, 15 blacks and 6 colours) whereas in Straight Pool, to run 150 you gotta run 150 balls (1 point for each ball) And so, if anything a 150 o=point run in straight pool is harder than a 147, but in a different way In fact, Danny Harriman just ran 280 in straight pool and John Shmidt had a run of 403 earlier this year I don't think that there are too many snooker players that are going to be able to achieve that without some considerable practice at straight pool, the same as with any other pool player Willie ----------------- If ya got 'em, smoke 'em [ This message was edited by: TheWizard on 2007-12-21 10:29 ]
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mal_clarke
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Posted: 2007-12-21 11:15
The same must be said for the other way around, pool players running 403 balls obviously have the fundamentals for big breaks at snooker but a 147 is still formidable, and would take a while to do.
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Deano
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Posted: 2007-12-21 11:19
No contest, 147 is a lot harder to do than just runniing a few balls.....
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NighthawkBlack
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Posted: 2007-12-21 11:24
There's too much of a luck factor in 9ball to be compared with snooker at all. You can get easy spreads, early combo's...etc. Of all pool games, only 14.1 or Straight pool can be sort of compared to snooker. I don't know what the equivalent would be to snooker 147. Depends on position of the reds and who's playing... 14.1 is a much tougher game than 9ball. All balls are called, pin point position is required, no easy spreads...you can't get lucky and beat a player considerably better than yourself.
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mal_clarke
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Posted: 2007-12-21 12:33
You cannot say a 529 by Mosconi is the equivalent of a 147 as there has never been only 1 break of 147 in snooker, many have done it, not just pros. I would say its a fair assumption that a 150 run for the game in one visit is about the same. Yes potting is easier, but not every player can run 150 balls, and although it sounds easy, there are 5 times as many pots as a 147, so anyone achieving it has a lot of quality.
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-12-21 14:14
If I had to make a comparison on degree if difficulty I'd say you need to go higher than 150 to match a 147 break. I'm not sure how much but definitely higher.
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machinehill
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Posted: 2007-12-21 14:47
i agree lee........id say double maybe treble 150 and its somewhere there....... 150 would barely equal a century break in my opinion........
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