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Barron147
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Posted: 2007-10-18 13:30
just feel that it makes it a much tougher game to play, can still jump just have to use full length cue???? as far as im concerned i offered a serious challenge and people dont see it as such, one person told me it takes five mins to learn how to jump, just feel it would be more of a challenge to jump with full length cue, i play english pool, not american pool, if phil can get back to me with an agreement asap then i can start to practice this game and prepare myself properly!!!
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striker
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Posted: 2007-10-18 13:31
On 2007-10-18 09:37 , Riggers Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! On 2007-10-18 03:03 , striker Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! On 2007-10-17 21:14 , The_Mole Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!!
9 Ball
Winner Breaks
Race to 30
No Jump Cues
Michael Barron
That was a good move you've just told your opposition that you can't jump 
That's the whole point of 9ball and I could not see Phil agreeing to that.
no jump cues!! do u want 2 shots carry aswell? 
The Mole ..... having a laugh
didnt appleton and donlon play to those rules.whats wrong with no jump cues if your new to the game,makes sense really.
back on topic
spoke to ben and steve tonight and no chance of him playin phil till february so game is not going to happen,steve did tell me put though that ben would play riggers for 500 a man
english 8 ball 500 a man
american 9 ball 500 a man
told me to post this so dont shoot the messenger riggers
And when does he want to play this? Next July?
I think I'll offer a challenge to Dynamite, race to 30 for £10K a man, to be played in 2015. Then when it gets nearer the time if my game hasn't stepped up 6 gears I'll change my mind
Of course I'll play Ben £500 race to 21 minimum each of those games any time he wants.
just passing on the msg steve gave me last night,nothing to do with me just would be an interesting game.temprements all over the place if it happens,no cue snapping either 
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-10-18 13:37
That's exactly what I was trying to say Jonathan! I remember when I first started playing thediamond showed me how to jump and within no time at all I was able to do pretty well whereas it took many many hours practice with one of our best players to improve my kicking skills.
I agree with you Si about the rules but Jonathan has a point really... where Michael thinks he's gaining an advantage he's actually playing right into Phil's hands. Tommy did the same against Daz in some respects with the rules he imposed for their match.
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Ads
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Posted: 2007-10-18 13:39
I mean, at the end of the day its up to both of the players, a money match is a money match. [ This message was edited by: Ads on 2007-10-18 13:42 ]
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thediamond
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Posted: 2007-10-18 13:41
yes, yes, said it all along....if Phil and Michael are happy then nothing to worry about, no one elses business. I am going round in circles here so will not repeat myself again. Dave....yes, seen Efren jump, rare sight agreed....I have a photo of him jumping also. Striker....shut your pie hole and buy a jump cue  [ This message was edited by: thediamond on 2007-10-18 13:45 ]
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striker
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Posted: 2007-10-18 13:43
agree with you mate,if a money goes ahead it should be played to the rules,i.e jump cues allowed.
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striker
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Posted: 2007-10-18 13:45
On 2007-10-18 13:41 , thediamond Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! yes, yes, said it all along....if Phil and Michael are happy then nothing to worry about, no one elses business.
I am going round in circles here so will not repeat myself again.
Dave....yes, see Efren jump, rare site agreed....I have a photo of him jumping also.
Striker....shut your pie hole and buy a jump cue shot lad,jump cue,ive all on just potting them normal,never mind flying over the top of em.
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thediamond
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Posted: 2007-10-18 13:46
turn it in pal, top 16 for you
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SHOTGUN
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Posted: 2007-10-18 13:50
There is an art to Jumping, fact.
Any Monkey can jump - but there are not many Monkeys that are confident of jumping with sidespin, screw back to pot or play safe! and get the result they are looking for....
i witness this most days when i play Phil Morgan - He is excellent, and fair play to him as he practices the shots - and i can see the benefit.
it makes me have to play better safety shots to not leave easier jumps
As Diamond says - its part of the game, If i have a better tip than you then maybe i should use the butt of my cue to play too?... lol
I know, why not do something crazy like play a 9 ball money match with, yes, you guessed it, 9 ball rules - WOW - that would be great....
or a 9 ball match with snooker rules - maybe have to pot the black after every number and respot the black each time.......
or put little metal hoops on the balls and see who can fish the 9 ball off the table from 150 yards??
or how bout sticking a bunker down the far end of the table and having to use a 9 iron to pot the 9??
or how bout rolling a dice when you get to the 9 ball to decide which pocket it has to go down?
or how bout using putting the 9 ball on a Spoon when you get to it and having to run round the club with your trousers down, doing 2 laps without dropping the ball in 45 seconds to win the match!
Ossie........ Lets just play 9 ball.....
...... Get the money on the light, and get on with it.
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striker
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Posted: 2007-10-18 13:52
just out of curiousity when is jump shot making his mark on the big table money games.his been putting alot of hours in with riggers,surley he must be ready for soem action.sayin that i played him a few week ago and pumped him so cant be improvin much
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striker
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Posted: 2007-10-18 13:55
On 2007-10-18 13:50 , SHOTGUN Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! There is an art to Jumping, fact.
Any Monkey can jump - but there are not many Monkeys that are confident of jumping with sidespin, screw back to pot or play safe! and get the result they are looking for....
i witness this most days when i play Phil Morgan - He is excellent, and fair play to him as he practices the shots - and i can see the benefit.
it makes me have to play better safety shots to not leave easier jumps
As Diamond says - its part of the game, If i have a better tip than you then maybe i should use the butt of my cue to play too?... lol
I know, why not do something crazy like play a 9 ball money match with, yes, you guessed it, 9 ball rules - WOW - that would be great....
or a 9 ball match with snooker rules - maybe have to pot the black after every number and respot the black each time.......
or put little metal hoops on the balls and see who can fish the 9 ball off the table from 150 yards??
or how bout sticking a bunker down the far end of the table and having to use a 9 iron to pot the 9??
or how bout rolling a dice when you get to the 9 ball to decide which pocket it has to go down?
or how bout using putting the 9 ball on a Spoon when you get to it and having to run round the club with your trousers down, doing 2 laps without dropping the ball in 45 seconds to win the match!
Ossie........ Lets just play 9 ball.....
...... Get the money on the light, and get on with it. some intersting ways on how to win a game there ossie,you may have started a new trend
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expertfluke
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Posted: 2007-10-18 14:45
A 9 Iron for the 9 ball - it makes perfect sense Ossie!!
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nicknameless
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Posted: 2007-10-18 14:54
Rhetoric aside - this is about making a game.
Both parties need to think what is and isn't to their advantage, negotiate, and agree upon a game and the rules for it. That's what makes this different from tournament play. Isn't part of the skill in matching up making the right game with your opponent, which implicitly requires assessing strengths and weaknesses?
"To jump or not to jump, that is the question" (written by a monkey with a typewriter, an infinite amount of time, and access to a Bunjee!).
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-10-18 14:55
On 2007-10-18 13:52 , striker Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! just out of curiousity when is jump shot making his mark on the big table money games.his been putting alot of hours in with riggers,surley he must be ready for soem action.sayin that i played him a few week ago and pumped him so cant be improvin much Not seen him in weeks pal but we're on for his comeback on Saturday. So he'll be playing a money match against me - only 5'ers though! Cheeky **** asked for a start due to his lack of practice. Can't wait! To be fair he was right to ask though 'cos I'm going to give him the biggest kicking he ever got on a table. Really looking forward to this one! [ This message was edited by: Riggers on 2007-10-18 14:56 ]
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Barron147
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Posted: 2007-10-18 15:02
fine then with respects to everyones comments, i will offer, 9 ball race to 30, 1k a man, winner breaks, barnsley friday night before tournie, not bothered about jump cues rule anymore, will just have to learn wont i, just fancy a game thats all, donts see why im getting all this aggro off of everybody
barron........ just wanna play pool
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the_locomotive
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Posted: 2007-10-18 15:03
Hello, The way i look at this money match is..... Play World 9 ball rules this saves any arguements or disagreements on the day!! If jumping takes 5 mins to practice then you have 6 weeks which is long enough i say. I will play with World Standard rules for £1000 at Barnsley in December!! It beats me why a player like Ben wants to play riggers in Dec, when he wants 3 years practice to play me? :-s Thanks Phil ----------------- UK's Youngest [ This message was edited by: the_locomotive on 2007-10-18 15:03 ]
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PC
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Posted: 2007-10-18 15:09
Phil, What about 9's on the snap and who's gonna rack or are you playing tapped tables? Lol Just adding to the confusion. -----------------  [ This message was edited by: PC on 2007-10-18 15:09 ]
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Barron147
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Posted: 2007-10-18 15:16
fine ill play wpa 9 ball rules, rack your own end of discussion at barnsley, that ok pal? just want to get it sorted so i can start to practice this game
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expertfluke
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Posted: 2007-10-18 15:57
Barron - in all honesty - jump shots are not difficult to learn. Also you might need to do a jump shot about once every 5 games if even that. So in theory in a poss 59 game match you might do 10 jump shots. And playing against Locomotive who likes to smash the break and leave a good open table to clear it will be even less.
Good luck to you both!
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Ads
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Posted: 2007-10-18 16:15
yea we're not having a moan at you we're just pullin ye leg. Just make sure you definatly decide what you are going to do before hand and have it set in stone so there is no quibbling about it when the time comes, even get it as a contract kind of thing. 1k is alot of money
Good luck to you both
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