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Rocky404
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Posted: 2007-06-04 14:14
Exactly good post Tony - if it were any other type of business, customers would go elsewhere.
This lets all love the BPPPA rubbish is not working is it? People have come up with loads of different suggestions over the years.
To sit there spouting about lets be constructive blah blah blah - perhaps people are fed up hearing it & the powers that be at the BPPPA need a fast reality check. People will leave & are leaving.
And I completely disagree with the comment about needing to belong to the UK federation for UK pool to progress.
How on earth does a comp based on Manchester every month constitute being a federation and how exactly does this help to progress UK pool?!
I admire your optimism but the reality is, Im only saying what everyone else is thinking and the sad fact is they've all been thinking it for over 2 years now.
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indiana
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Posted: 2007-06-04 14:16
lee the last time their was a meeting i was asked for my comments which could be put forward to the general board, but as yet i have heard nothing from that meeting,
now your asking me to do the same,
all it would take is one post from the president to answer these questions, is that to much to ask for?
sorry mate but all this c rap about emailing you comments to be put forward is a waste of time, lets have the next meeting infront of all the players next tour event
AND SORT THIS OUT ONCE AND FOR ALL
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Goon
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Joined: 19-Mar-2006
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From: Mars
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Posted: 2007-06-04 14:19
Lee, To be specific we want to be updated on the 2007 UK 9 BALL CHAMPIONSHIP as per the title of this thread??????
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Pool-Ace
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Posted: 2007-06-04 14:23
Having read this thread I think the main problem is the lack of openess from the BPPPA. By not making many public announcements they give the impression that they have something to hide. If players know what is going on I'm sure they will be more patient when things aren't going well.
If the BPPPA loses the players trust it will fold, sooner rather than later, as without them its just a name.
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Rocky404
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Posted: 2007-06-04 14:26
The UK Championship is supposed to happen on 26th July according to their calendar.
I think we can safely say its not happening seeing as its not been mentioned once by the BPPPA since the original idea was conceived prior to membership renewal time. Also someone on here contacted the stadium & they were advised they knew nothing whatsoever of the event.
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BigTone
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Posted: 2007-06-04 14:34
Those are not my only concerns though lee, i'll pm you.
Although to respond generally. we were asked for input feedback for the last mmeting in January and still the minutes have not been produced or anything changed.
Why do the same again?
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-06-04 14:42
Rocky, when I mentioned the need for a UK federation to progress UK pool I never insinuated that the present federation (with all events in manchester as you say) is achieving this.
But I do believe we need an effective national federation to help progress the game in our country.
Indy, I agree the meeting minutes should have been published by now and am doing all I can to find out why that's not happened.
All I am saying is that years of constant moaning have achieved nothing and it's about time we came up with a proper plan of action to effect some change. Having a meeting of all players at the next tour event is just not realistic but a meeting of selected player representatives with the BPPPA where they are commited to making things happen might just achieve something.
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Rocky404
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Posted: 2007-06-04 15:00
Ok well how about Ted getting the ball rolling for a change and putting some peoples minds at rest by answering questions that have been posed for 3 years?
This where it needs to start:
!) Clarification on why membership is paid - clarification on where this actually goes. If it is taken in salary, then just admit it - people will think more of you for being upfront & saying. After all, no-one is expecting you to do it for free.
2) Is the UK Championship actually happening? If yes, is there any concrete evidence to back this up?
3) Explanation on why UK Championship not happening in July when everyone was told it was confirmed and booked.
4) How the BPPPA plan to resolve it now being an MPPPA?
there you go there's a plan of action & that took 2 mins to type.
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dazzler
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Posted: 2007-06-04 15:11
On 2007-06-04 09:47 , Riggers Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! I think the correct way to discuss these things is via the BPPPA players council, which IMO, should operate independantly of the BPPPA. The problem we've had recently is that the players council chairman who would organise the meetings, set the agenda etc. has not been active in the BPPPA for some time now so we need a new chairperson. As much as I'd like to volunteer i really can't spare the time right now as I'm in the middle of a house sale / purchase and have many other things on.
I know that many of you have very valid concerns about the running of American Pool in this country and really these need to be discussed with Ted face to face. Whilst, Ted is clearly not going to stand in front of 100 people and let you all moan at him he will address the half dozen people from the players council. That's why we need to make best use of this facility to try and engineer the changes we all want to see. I know the players council is not at all effective right now, probably due to the Chairman situation as I mentioned, but it's up to the rest of us to make sure we make it work.
I would welcome an email from anyone who has constructive criticism, suggestions, questions etc. that I can take to the next meeting. The email address to use (disguised) is playerscouncil at rigbys dot biz.
Riggers, i was IT a couple of years ago......but when Ted just overruled every desision the players council made i just sacked it......whats the point i thought? ----------------- 
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boyzi
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Posted: 2007-06-04 15:11
come on sir kevin
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-06-04 15:27
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HELLRAISER
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Posted: 2007-06-04 15:49
I think the WPA/IOC should have a system in which British Pool federations should be up for a business like tender, in which potential organisers submit their proposals on how they would like run the tour with transparent paper work and realistic goals. The contract should be yearly as this way if players are not too happy with what the tour is delivering that way they only have to wait for a year before the tender is up for grabs. That way if there were any grievances, then those would be addressed and hopefully used in the next propsal for the tender, and that way hopefully not only other organisers can learn from mistakes from predecessors but hopefully not make the same mistakes. Also it will open an official federation up for competition which means tour organisers such as Daryl and Richard can make the EPT or Mickey Flynns an official tour with multiple disciplines with official ranking points. I know this is not a clear cut solution and there are many flaws to this idea, but it is better than waiting for answers that will be given or not in an unfixed time scale. I think there will always be a problem in official UK tours, because of loss of sponsors (Rileys), lack of sponsors, and not much intrest from potential sponsors, bottom line is what we put is what we get out. So the solution for the moment is higher entry fees, more transparancy with information, better distribution of funds and quick responses to queries and that is just the start. Sorry I have gone off the topic a bit. But honesty helps sustain loyalty. [ This message was edited by: HELLRAISER on 2007-06-04 15:58 ]
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Deano
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Posted: 2007-06-04 16:01
When Doug Gordon ran the tour it was bad but it never got this bad............
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412-414
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Posted: 2007-06-04 16:06
Well this thread just confirms the whole situation we are in. 6 pages ago a simple question was asked "Is the UK champs gonna happen". Becaue 6 pages later there has still been no response from anyone official, the whole membership issue and the rest have once again started. Had the question have been responded to, the slating would not have happened; so BPPPA, when will you answer and when will you learn. We keep getting the BPPPA servants like riggers and surgeon coming on telling US, that we are out of order for stating our opinions in a public forum, well i say to you and all the BPPPA crew - Open your god darn eyes will you and see it from our point of veiw. Questions are never answered, promises are never kept, recommendations are ignored and the players generally are laughing at you. [ This message was edited by: 412-414 on 2007-06-04 16:08 ]
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Mike_Abel
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Posted: 2007-06-04 16:11
funny you should mention doug's tour cos it had descended into this sort of in-fighting as the BPPPA kicked off claiming to end all the c_rap.
Riggers, since you're taking the lead on this, why not set a deadline for people to PM you with their questions, grievances etc. Once that deadline expires people have to shut up (unlikely i know!) And you can then give a suitable timescale for answering the queries.
And the whole thing is played out on Pro9 for visibility's sake.
At the end of the day we all want a decent structure to play pool within and clearly the BPPPA hasn't delivered on its promises so lets use this as a platform to evolve once more.
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-06-04 16:11
412-414, I'm no servant of the BPPPA and I never said you were out of order for stating your opinions here. Please kindly withdraw that remark. [ This message was edited by: Riggers on 2007-06-04 16:11 ]
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Rocky404
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Posted: 2007-06-04 16:12
The players arent laughing though are they? They're all completely hacked off with it. Empty promises time & time again & no regular communication. If the BPPPA crumbles, then it will all be self inflicted. People have been patient for ages now to no avail.
Softly softly catchy monkey does not work.
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Buckster_uk
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Posted: 2007-06-04 16:16
Buckster standing by for forum moderation 
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HELLRAISER
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Posted: 2007-06-04 16:18
The question on everybodies lips is where is the money?
Sorry Buckster
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Goon
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From: Mars
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Posted: 2007-06-04 16:21
On 2007-06-04 16:06 , 412-414 Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Well this thread just confirms the whole situation we are in.
6 pages ago a simple question was asked "Is the UK champs gonna happen". Becaue 6 pages later there has still been no response from anyone official, the whole membership issue and the rest have once again started. Had the question have been responded to, the slating would not have happened; so BPPPA, when will you answer and when will you learn.
We keep getting the BPPPA servants like riggers and surgeon coming on telling US, that we are out of order for stating our opinions in a public forum, well i say to you and all the BPPPA crew - Open your god darn eyes will you and see it from our point of veiw. Questions are never answered, promises are never kept, recommendations are ignored and the players generally are laughing at you. Unfortunately, I have to agree with you 412-414 your post is spot on, except that im not laughing!!!   
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