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dazzler
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Posted: 2007-02-27 17:02
some good ideas here. I think we all agree that the balls should be tapped as this makes the events run much smoother with less stopages for bad racks etc. I really think that racking the balls 1 full ball higher OR 9ball on the spot instead of the 1ball is also the correct thing to do as this makes it so the wing ball isnt guaranteed, and thus takes the soft break out of contention. Call pocket would be great too, but i cant really see this happening on our tour until it happens on EPBF/WPA etc to be honest. So Si and SY, could you please put this to Ted asap to get it sorted......and then how long dya think it would take until it would come into force? D4RYL [ This message was edited by: dazzler on 2007-02-27 17:05 ]
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TheSurgeon
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Posted: 2007-02-27 17:02
Dazzler, how did your racking experiment go?
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indiana
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Posted: 2007-02-27 17:05
why not make the bpppa ten ball next year? maybe the rest of the organisations and tournament directors around the world would cotton on [ This message was edited by: indiana on 2007-02-27 17:06 ]
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dazzler
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Posted: 2007-02-27 17:07
Didnt get chance to go pal.....missus had a scan for baby and i forgot about it  I am keen honest! Just kiddin  Will have a go tomorrow mate and i will let you all know how it went on here. ----------------- 
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thediamond
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Posted: 2007-02-27 17:13
??? Daryl, scan, baby ??? Hope it all goes well pal. ....and yes, the better player should win at 10 ball but even with your massive break Sy, I still took a small set of you  Forgetting the first set for a mo  ....and I do break like a small child with a vitamin deficiency  ...and Jason.....you were right all along pal, if only we had listened!  [ This message was edited by: thediamond on 2007-02-27 17:18 ]
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shir
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Posted: 2007-02-27 17:14
There's a problem with call shot in 9 ball but I can't remember what it is. I mentioned it to Mick in Norway and he agreed but came up with a neat solution. Something to do with the safety shot. It'll come to me... (Riggers not Shir) [ This message was edited by: shir on 2007-02-27 19:00 ]
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-02-27 19:07
Ok so if it's call shot then there has to be a safety option or whatever you want to call it - in other words when the shot is not called and a ball is potted you lose your turn. That's where you get the problem. Say you are on an easy pot on the 1 but the 2 is tied up really bad, what's to stop calling safe and potting the 1 thereby leaving your opponent in a very difficult snooker? Doesn't really seem fair and could happen a lot. Mick's solution, and I like it a lot, is that if you legally pot but don't call it or maybe flook it in another pocket or you call safety, your opponent can choose to put you back in or play themselves. I think this would work really well. [ This message was edited by: Riggers on 2007-02-27 19:08 ]
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nicknameless
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Posted: 2007-02-28 00:47
On 2007-02-27 17:02 , dazzler Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!!
So Si and SY, could you please put this to Ted asap to get it sorted......and then how long dya think it would take until it would come into force?
D4RYL
Isn't there a case to put proposed changes to all players who play on the BPPPA rather than a few people on this forum agreeing what is best, and making suggestions on everyone's behalf? In the 'players' tour' spirit surely that means canvassing the majority opinion on these things? I'm not saying I disagree with some of the proposals put forward here but I do feel strongly that changes which affect everyone should be made in the light of as many views as possible, and not on the basis of a forum discussion between a very limited number of individuals.
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emesy
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Posted: 2007-02-28 02:05
can you actually bet on bpppa events and if so how?
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shir
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Posted: 2007-02-28 09:04
****************changed topic title to prevent confusion*************
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cusack_147
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Posted: 2007-02-28 09:07
There will still be confusion Shir cause the BPPPA event is this weekend (3rd/4th March) isnt it?? [ This message was edited by: cusack_147 on 2007-02-28 09:08 ]
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paddy147
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Posted: 2007-02-28 09:09
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dazzler
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Posted: 2007-02-28 09:12
On 2007-02-28 00:47 , nicknameless Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! On 2007-02-27 17:02 , dazzler Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!!
So Si and SY, could you please put this to Ted asap to get it sorted......and then how long dya think it would take until it would come into force?
D4RYL
Isn't there a case to put proposed changes to all players who play on the BPPPA rather than a few people on this forum agreeing what is best, and making suggestions on everyone's behalf?
In the 'players' tour' spirit surely that means canvassing the majority opinion on these things?
I'm not saying I disagree with some of the proposals put forward here but I do feel strongly that changes which affect everyone should be made in the light of as many views as possible, and not on the basis of a forum discussion between a very limited number of individuals. True i guess, but on this tour, if you have a suggestion then they tell you to put it to the "players council" and then they will put it to Ted and he will decide if its a yes or no.....thats it!.......i guess to make it a stronger candidate for a "yes" then if all the players signed a partition then that would be good. -----------------
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dazzler
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Posted: 2007-02-28 09:13
nice addition paddy! -----------------
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shir
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Posted: 2007-02-28 09:20
On 2007-02-28 09:07 , cusack_147 Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! There will still be confusion Shir cause the BPPPA event is this weekend (3rd/4th March) isnt it?? see new topic...
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nicknameless
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Posted: 2007-02-28 10:27
On 2007-02-28 09:12 , dazzler Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! On 2007-02-28 00:47 , nicknameless Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! On 2007-02-27 17:02 , dazzler Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!!
So Si and SY, could you please put this to Ted asap to get it sorted......and then how long dya think it would take until it would come into force?
D4RYL
Isn't there a case to put proposed changes to all players who play on the BPPPA rather than a few people on this forum agreeing what is best, and making suggestions on everyone's behalf?
In the 'players' tour' spirit surely that means canvassing the majority opinion on these things?
I'm not saying I disagree with some of the proposals put forward here but I do feel strongly that changes which affect everyone should be made in the light of as many views as possible, and not on the basis of a forum discussion between a very limited number of individuals.
True i guess, but on this tour, if you have a suggestion then they tell you to put it to the "players council" and then they will put it to Ted and he will decide if its a yes or no.....thats it!.......i guess to make it a stronger candidate for a "yes" then if all the players signed a partition then that would be good.
OK - but some decisions and changes (limited I know) have come in due to overwhelming and obvious player support for them. Petitions are a lobbying mechanism and not a way to find out what people think about a proposal. You can only decide to support a motion put forward by a petition or (silently) abstain from the motion by not signing it. It doesn't ask you what you think about the proposal and more importantly why. All the recent controversy about the road use taxing petition pays testament to that. One way to more accurately and quite simply assess player opinion would be to collate suggested changes for the tour, and then give each player attending a BPPPA event a form asking them to say yeah or nay to them and why. This could then be (anonymously if players want) returned on the day and the results collated and publicly aired. This does a number of things - It gives the players council a much stronger basis to suggest changes to Ted. It pre-empts any gripes about proposals not representing what the majority of players think. It gives a basis for queries about why changes that the majority of players want have not been considered (or implemented). Simple to do, defend, and potentially more effective.
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-02-28 11:09
Anyone at the last BPPPA event would have heard Ted say the players council have submitted a number of suggestions and these are all being considered. He also said that every member would be receiving a questionnaire asking for their views on these items.
The soft break was not on the players council agenda at the time and has not been discussed at the meetings but I'm sure it will be at the next meeting. Not sure if there is enough time to get it on the questionnaire though.
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BigTone
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Posted: 2007-02-28 11:52
In all fairness though Riggers, We would not know what was on the agenda at that meeting because the minutes for it still have not been published! A lot of the frustrations that are aired on here could quite easily be resolved or quelled with better communication to the members, who support this association by paying the membership fees.
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dazzler
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Posted: 2007-02-28 12:45
I have to agree with big tone here.....also things need changing now! not in 6 months time when the rankings are even more false because of the soft break palava! Thats my opinion on the matter. Just to add....thesurgeon asked me how my experiment got on with putting the 9ball on the spot instead of the 1ball (still tapped) Well, went for a knock this morning for 3 hours...and tried this along the way..... .....a few things hapened...breaking from the left rail), 1, i could still make the wing and the 1ball in the side, but i had to really crunch them and catch them sweeeeeet....and i thought this was a very good thing. 2, on the downside, every time i broke, i got the 9ball coming up table (kicked) to where i was breaking from, and going side rail then back rail and nearly pocketing in the side pocket! i made it a few times too! Then i racked them where we are currently racking them (1ball on spot) and continued to soft break...i made the wing every time and got perfect on the 1ball nearly every time......i continued to run 12 consecutive racks with absolute ease until in the 13 rack i got the cue ball stuck to the 1 ball and this ended the run. What i am saying is, my mum could have run the balls out cos they were nicely spread out with nearly guaranteed position on the 1 ball every time!.....so who ever wins the lag is a massive favourite straight from the off! This has really tempted me to do the soft break at the weekend even though i am very much against it! Let me know what you think all of this please. -----------------
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BigTone
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Posted: 2007-02-28 12:50
Quote... soft break...i made the wing every time and got perfect on the 1ball nearly every time......i continued to run 12 consecutive racks with absolute ease !!! I'll tell you what i think Daryl. Im thinking thank christ its alternate break this weekend!!!!
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