9-Ball
Topic: 7 Golden Breaks in a row!!!

On 2006-12-20 20:38 , Shooter Wrote:

Thanks Jonny

Don't get me wrong, I understand what you're saying as reguards that it should be the racker's choice as to how they're racked, but that is not the case, nor is it the case that they are all meant to be in any set pattern, but as yet you haven't answered my Question that I asked earlier

When you're playing American 8Ball, how do you rack them? , as an individual player

Willie

On 2006-12-20 20:38 , Shooter Wrote:I can't stand the suspense and now I really want to know the secret of 'Shooter's Random'. You'll have to tell me all about it at the next event.

p.s. I'll be watching you're racking very carefully next time we play!

When I rack american 8ball I rack them the same as in English style 8ball.

I believe this way gives the best spread!


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On 2006-12-21 18:58 , Shooter Wrote:

Well again, that is against the rules of American 8Ball because the rules again states, that when racking the balls, the must be a solid ball on 1 corner and a stripe on the other, it doesn't matter which of the 2 back corners, with the 8ball in the centre, apex ball on the foot spot and the rest be rack at random, which means not in a set order.

With all due respect to all players , this is the problem with alot of the guys who are from English Pool/Snooker backgrounds, you're too used to racking the balls a certain way, which is understandable as that is what you have been used to over so many years , but then when it comes to playing cue sports where the balls are racked at random, you still have that tendancy to rack them in 1 set order or another, which is not how it is meant to be done

If I were playing anyone in an EPT or any American 8Ball event/match and they racked the balls in a set order, I would constantly ask them to rack them again, untill the other player does it right and if they still try to rack them in a set order, then I'll either rack them myself or ask someone else to rack the balls instead , Simply because, when you don't respect the rules for the game, e.g. racking them right, then you are therefore not completely respecting the nature of the cue sport itself, in trying to play it in a different way than it's intended to be played

I may sound like I'm being overly fussy, but when you're playing any cue sport, ALL rules should be honoured and respected by ALL players, reguardless of their background cue sport, after all, the key to being a great player, is to be able to adapt to different conditions, games, etc and playing by and respecting the rules of a particular cue sport is part of that

Willie

OK,

Imagine this scenario!

You are racking 8ball and you have put a stripe and a solid in the bottom corners, then you realise that ALL the solids are in the bottom left corner!

Do you re-arrange them or leave them?

If you re-arrange them then it is not random!

To me random is harder than set.

Pure random is nigh on impossible!


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I see what you're saying buddy , but every rack is different and so racking them at random, keeps the table layouts that follow the break at random also, instead of having a lota of breack shots with similar layouts after the break

That is one of the reasons why the random ruling is there, to stop the repeating of layout patterns and to therefore keep the overall game itself, that little bit more fairer and also challenging to an extent

Yes, I have had racks of American 8Ball with a very similar scenario, but it's all part and parcel of how the game is played

Willie

I think with 8ball, no matter how you rack them, you can never get a consistent layout.
There are far too many kisses and collisions to even think about trying to predict it.
IMO.

Jon.


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To some extent yes, but the layout of the rack before breaking, can be duplicated, if the balls are being racked in a set order over and over again, a player can easily break from 1 spot at a certain speed and remember this and therefore be able to repeat that break, maybe not too 100 of the previous break, but certainly to about 75% of that break, which is still too high of a percentage to my liking

Like 9Ball, it is common knowledge that when a player breaks, they always try to make the wing ball, the 1 in the side and park the cue ball in the middle of the table, but if you're racking the other 7 balls in a set pattern, you're gonna have a very similar percentage of getting a similar layout to the previous rack because a player can generally remember what speed, he hit them, where he broke from, etc and it still gives too high a percentage of giving a similar or close to repeat layout as the previous rack

in fact the best eaxample of this is in 9ball, where you get guys who rack 123 and then the others at random and they rack the 2,3 immediately behind the 1, because 9 out of 10 times, the 2 and 3, are going up stream and therefore reducing the breaker's chances of getting out on that visit, whereas, it should always be completely random, to keep it as fair as possible

Willie