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Pitster Just can't stay away Joined: 20-May-2006 Posts: 97	Posted: 2007-06-11 19:55 Maybe not as solid as the aforementioned players but lets not forget this guy, stunning talent and always good for business http://youtube.com/watch?v=MC9VLT-Likk Profile Quote
emesy Home away from home Joined: 25-Feb-2007 Posts: 310 From: worcs	Posted: 2007-06-11 20:00 joe davis could pot a mean ball in his day, so iv read. mike segal is in the mix up as is ray reardon. Profile Quote
indiana Home away from home Joined: 08-May-2006 Posts: 645	Posted: 2007-06-11 21:33 REYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYES WITHOUT A DOUBT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [ This message was edited by: indiana on 2007-06-11 21:33 ] Profile Quote
Huskler Quite a regular Joined: 21-May-2007 Posts: 43 From: London	Posted: 2007-06-12 00:13 Interesting debate... Steve Davis, Steven Hendry, Ronnie O or Reyes... They are all superb in their own way, so can they all win it? Profile Quote
dazzler Home away from home Joined: 14-Mar-2006 Posts: 1289	Posted: 2007-06-12 10:03 On 2007-06-11 15:47 , dynamitedaz Wrote: !!! QUOTE !!! by a mile riggers.. hendry was good at one thing that was break building ! and he used to have a good long game! he shouldnt be mentioned in same breath as the likes of reyes etc ......Hey Dyno, dya think you would have heard yourself saying this 2 or 3 years ago? Dont get me wrong i totally agree Reyes is the daddy....but you can understand players who aint seen the great man in action in the flesh would feel that Hendy/Davis are the best. What dya think? ----------------- Profile Quote
Huskler Quite a regular Joined: 21-May-2007 Posts: 43 From: London	Posted: 2007-06-12 11:03 OK... I have a plan... lets set out some criteria to find the winner... like a top trumps of billiards. I think that's the only way to fairly compare across genres. My starter for categories is as follows: Years in the game Years in the top 16 of the game Highest ranking World titles Tournament stats (1st = 3 points, 2nd = 2 points, 3rd = 1 point) Career earnings Character (1 - 10) Ambassador status (1 - 10 for services to the sport) If we agree the list of categories we can see who really comes out on top, without everyone being loved up by their personal favourite. Don't forget the ladies too, who have brought the women's game on a huge amount. I'm sure Reyes will be up there, but there are some snooker players that have achieved incredible things in what most people will agree is the more difficult game. If I had to play for my life and chose between running out at 9-ball or hitting a 147 I know which I'd attempt!!! Profile Quote
indiana Home away from home Joined: 08-May-2006 Posts: 645	Posted: 2007-06-12 11:21 On 2007-06-12 11:03 , Huskler Wrote: !!! QUOTE !!! OK... I have a plan... lets set out some criteria to find the winner... like a top trumps of billiards. I think that's the only way to fairly compare across genres. My starter for categories is as follows: Years in the game Years in the top 16 of the game Highest ranking World titles Tournament stats (1st = 3 points, 2nd = 2 points, 3rd = 1 point) Career earnings Character (1 - 10) Ambassador status (1 - 10 for services to the sport) If we agree the list of categories we can see who really comes out on top, without everyone being loved up by their personal favourite. Don't forget the ladies too, who have brought the women's game on a huge amount. I'm sure Reyes will be up there, but there are some snooker players that have achieved incredible things in what most people will agree is the more difficult game. If I had to play for my life and chose between running out at 9-ball or hitting a 147 I know which I'd attempt!!! huskler, there is no need for listing all this. i can understand poeple who back davis/hendry etc but IMO the best player is someone who can play all games to the highest level, forget counting titles this that and the other, now when u think of this way then there is only one answer, here is a little cameo of the great man perfect pool just awesome, just go to youtube and type efren reyes and watch for yourself Profile Quote
Huskler Quite a regular Joined: 21-May-2007 Posts: 43 From: London	Posted: 2007-06-12 12:02 I have, and for some strange reason I can't find any coverage of him getting a 147 break. I'm not trying to antagonise anyone, but when I've seen reyes playing snooker to the same level as Ronnie O, Hendry or Davis I'll believe what everyone is saying. Profile Quote
Riggers Home away from home Joined: 30-Mar-2006 Posts: 4454 From: Barnsley (centre of the universe)	Posted: 2007-06-12 12:19 Very surprised the machine hasn't got anything to say on this. If we were sat in a bar and this was the subject he would talk for hours! Profile Quote
dynamitedaz Home away from home Joined: 21-Mar-2006 Posts: 2200	Posted: 2007-06-12 13:27 some strange posts going on yes daryl totally agree ... i thought ronnie was the most talented player ever until i got watch reyes more and play against him numerous times..i soon changed my mind his more talent in his left toe than davis and hendry most snooker players are robotic and practise 7 hours a day! id practise 7 hours a day if prize money was as good in pool.. reyes as won more than them his more talent,most knowledge, end of the day his 53 years old and still one of the best explains it all.. imagine how good he was 30 years ago! Profile Quote
cusack_147 Home away from home Joined: 17-Mar-2006 Posts: 991 From: Southport	Posted: 2007-06-12 13:41 On 2007-06-12 13:27 , dynamitedaz Wrote: !!! QUOTE !!! some strange posts going on yes daryl totally agree ... i thought ronnie was the most talented player ever until i got watch reyes more and play against him numerous times..i soon changed my mind his more talent in his left toe than davis and hendry most snooker players are robotic and practise 7 hours a day! id practise 7 hours a day if prize money was as good in pool.. reyes as won more than them his more talent,most knowledge, end of the day his 53 years old and still one of the best explains it all.. imagine how good he was 30 years ago! Gotta say Daz, "Reyes has more ability than Davis/Hendry in his left toe", this statement is absolute rubbish!! Snooker players are robotic for practising 7 hours a day, snooker is a lot harder than pool (any fom of pool) by an absolute mile and that is why that level of practise is required. Snooker is by far the harder game and if Reyes were to play Hendry best of 19 at snooker he would get massacred, i dont care what anybody says. And it wouldnt matter how much Reyes practised at Snooker. In fact I would say there are hundreds of players out there that would destroy Reyes at snooker, if that werent the case then Reyes would be playing snooker trying to make money at it as there is so much more money in snooker than pool. If we look at the UK Daryl Peach and Mark Gray (arguably the best two players in the UK) dominate the Uk American Pool Scene but in the World of Snooker they did next to nothing (no disrespect). It is a lot easier to dominate pool than snooker and the greatest cueists in my opinion are the likes of Hendry, Davis, O'Sullivan, Reardon, Higgins etc. because simply snooker in terms of difficulty is in a different league to pool. You need to be a class cueist to be a top snooker player, you dont need to have any sort of action to be a top pool player (e.g. Souquet). [ This message was edited by: cusack_147 on 2007-06-12 14:04 ] Profile Quote
Riggers Home away from home Joined: 30-Mar-2006 Posts: 4454 From: Barnsley (centre of the universe)	Posted: 2007-06-12 14:16 If the question was 'Who is the greatest cueist...' OK but that's not the question being asked. The question is 'who is the greatest cue sportsman of our time'. It's not about who is the best at all the games because obviously they will all specialise in their own equipment, for example, if Hendry played Daz at English pool he too would get massacered despite english pool being a so called easier game. So I don't think your argument stands up. For all his achievements all these years and to remain at the top of a game (well several disciplines actually) that many people can play to a very high level Reyes is the daddy IMO. [ This message was edited by: Riggers on 2007-06-12 14:16 ] Profile Quote
the-MACHINE Just can't stay away Joined: 14-Dec-2006 Posts: 119	Posted: 2007-06-12 14:38 haha riggers moved house no tinter at mo-got little access now thoguh...... its so difficult to compare people from different sports! on a purely american style of discipline cue sprot i would think it can only be between two people. reyes sigel but have very limited knowledge can only go off other comments and rwesults...the general annalysis seems to be those two... one pocket-reyes 9ball-sigel 8ball-reyes 14-1-sigel maybe rotation and 10ball not a enough competion play for a true opinoin. again im only going off public opinion of debates that i have had all around the world at 2am in the morning fueled with budweiser... the debate as to be divided...debate two would be what we consider our up bringing cue sports. snooker-eng 8ball-billiards then it would be who,s who...i cant think of anyone who stands out as being a very high standard at all three disciplines and when i mean high standard not someone who can run 3racks at 8ball and make a 147... i mean a true performer who as won major honours in all three... personalyy reyes and sigel cant be compared to davis and hendry all any others cos they have never player the game... ray reardon may have been the best rotation player ever if he was born in manila but ur never going to know cos he wasnt..... imho its a debate that is just totaLY unrelated... you may use acue and balls but they are totally different games! divide the debate into snooker-8ball-billiards(equipment snooker cue) 9b 8b 14.1 one pocket rotation etc etc (usa cue) thats mt two peneth riggers! Profile Quote
Cue_Of_Thunder Home away from home Joined: 22-Mar-2006 Posts: 323	Posted: 2007-06-12 14:55 On 2007-06-12 14:38 , the-MACHINE Wrote: !!! QUOTE !!! haha riggers moved house no tinter at mo-got little access now thoguh...... its so difficult to compare people from different sports! on a purely american style of discipline cue sprot i would think it can only be between two people. reyes sigel but have very limited knowledge can only go off other comments and rwesults...the general annalysis seems to be those two... one pocket-reyes 9ball-sigel 8ball-reyes 14-1-sigel maybe rotation and 10ball not a enough competion play for a true opinoin. again im only going off public opinion of debates that i have had all around the world at 2am in the morning fueled with budweiser... the debate as to be divided...debate two would be what we consider our up bringing cue sports. snooker-eng 8ball-billiards then it would be who,s who...i cant think of anyone who stands out as being a very high standard at all three disciplines and when i mean high standard not someone who can run 3racks at 8ball and make a 147... i mean a true performer who as won major honours in all three... personalyy reyes and sigel cant be compared to davis and hendry all any others cos they have never player the game... ray reardon may have been the best rotation player ever if he was born in manila but ur never going to know cos he wasnt..... imho its a debate that is just totaLY unrelated... you may use acue and balls but they are totally different games! divide the debate into snooker-8ball-billiards(equipment snooker cue) 9b 8b 14.1 one pocket rotation etc etc (usa cue) thats mt two peneth riggers! Probably the most sensible post on this topic. This is going to be an age old discussion thats never going to be ended. Far too many cue sport disciplines with far too many champions. Profile Quote
JonnyC Home away from home Joined: 03-Aug-2006 Posts: 225 From: Leeds	Posted: 2007-06-12 15:09 i would have to say ronnie for snooker personally, when hes in the right frame of mind, hes untouchable. Profile Quote
Riggers Home away from home Joined: 30-Mar-2006 Posts: 4454 From: Barnsley (centre of the universe)	Posted: 2007-06-12 15:10 Yep I agree, very sensible post from the_MACHINE. The only thing I'm not sure about is bundling the 2 very different sports that use a snooker cue into one. No one has won major titles at both to my knowledge, though Selby has obviously come close. So does that make Selby the best ever in that category? Of course not. I would expect you'd have a handful of snooker legends and then you and Daz would have to be in there for the way you've dominated the game and phenominal amount of titles you've won. Profile Quote
the-MACHINE Just can't stay away Joined: 14-Dec-2006 Posts: 119	Posted: 2007-06-12 15:13 On 2007-06-12 13:41 , cusack_147 Wrote: !!! QUOTE !!! On 2007-06-12 13:27 , dynamitedaz Wrote: !!! QUOTE !!! some strange posts going on yes daryl totally agree ... i thought ronnie was the most talented player ever until i got watch reyes more and play against him numerous times..i soon changed my mind his more talent in his left toe than davis and hendry most snooker players are robotic and practise 7 hours a day! id practise 7 hours a day if prize money was as good in pool.. reyes as won more than them his more talent,most knowledge, end of the day his 53 years old and still one of the best explains it all.. imagine how good he was 30 years ago! Gotta say Daz, "Reyes has more ability than Davis/Hendry in his left toe", this statement is absolute rubbish!! Snooker players are robotic for practising 7 hours a day, snooker is a lot harder than pool (any fom of pool) by an absolute mile and that is why that level of practise is required. Snooker is by far the harder game and if Reyes were to play Hendry best of 19 at snooker he would get massacred, i dont care what anybody says. And it wouldnt matter how much Reyes practised at Snooker. In fact I would say there are hundreds of players out there that would destroy Reyes at snooker, if that werent the case then Reyes would be playing snooker trying to make money at it as there is so much more money in snooker than pool. If we look at the UK Daryl Peach and Mark Gray (arguably the best two players in the UK) dominate the Uk American Pool Scene but in the World of Snooker they did next to nothing (no disrespect). It is a lot easier to dominate pool than snooker and the greatest cueists in my opinion are the likes of Hendry, Davis, O'Sullivan, Reardon, Higgins etc. because simply snooker in terms of difficulty is in a different league to pool. You need to be a class cueist to be a top snooker player, you dont need to have any sort of action to be a top pool player (e.g. Souquet). i have to say in my 27 years of being on planet earth...and playing pool cue sports for 20 years THAT IS WITHOUT DOUBT THE WORST STATEMENT I HAVE EVER EVER HEARD IN THE HISTORY OF ANYTHING....im so speechless i cant even continue thi po Profile Quote
dynamitedaz Home away from home Joined: 21-Mar-2006 Posts: 2200	Posted: 2007-06-12 15:23 snookers about cue action and potting balls! pool is about everything potting,vision,ability,skill,pressure,shot making,temprement,tactics,playing the right shot at right time,pulling the big shot out when needed, so many qaulities needed and reyes as it all and more,, and his won snooker comps he beat wattana in final of asian games in late 80s.his won english billiards asian games on a snooker table with 15 days practise before it,he was one of the best 3 cusion carom players,bank pool,8ball,9ball,10ball,rotation,1 pocket, his the daddy of cuesports by a mile! his beat ronnie,davis and white at snooker! obviously his not better he never plays the game! but it shows he got the ability to play any game cuesports to a good or amazing high level nobody else can get close to him! sigel i forgot about another legend of cuesports.. think u meant sigel 8ball mick! thatshis strongest game or was ! only difficult thing in snooker is potting balls consistantly and doing it under pressure, most of them have no knowledge of rest of game! Profile Quote
Huskler Quite a regular Joined: 21-May-2007 Posts: 43 From: London	Posted: 2007-06-12 15:30 On 2007-06-12 15:23 , dynamitedaz Wrote: !!! QUOTE !!! snookers about cue action and potting balls! pool is about everything potting,vision,ability,skill,pressure,shot making,temprement,tactics,playing the right shot at right time,pulling the big shot out when needed, so many qaulities needed... Erm... have you ever actually seen a game of snooker? I can't believe that you think there is no... vision ability skill pressure shot making temprement tactics playing the right shot at right time pulling the big shot out when needed ... in snooker. You've just undermined any validity in anything you might actually have been right on! Profile Quote
dynamitedaz Home away from home Joined: 21-Mar-2006 Posts: 2200	Posted: 2007-06-12 16:04 On 2007-06-12 13:41 , cusack_147 Wrote: !!! QUOTE !!! On 2007-06-12 13:27 , dynamitedaz Wrote: !!! QUOTE !!! some strange posts going on yes daryl totally agree ... i thought ronnie was the most talented player ever until i got watch reyes more and play against him numerous times..i soon changed my mind his more talent in his left toe than davis and hendry most snooker players are robotic and practise 7 hours a day! id practise 7 hours a day if prize money was as good in pool.. reyes as won more than them his more talent,most knowledge, end of the day his 53 years old and still one of the best explains it all.. imagine how good he was 30 years ago! Gotta say Daz, "Reyes has more ability than Davis/Hendry in his left toe", this statement is absolute rubbish!! Snooker players are robotic for practising 7 hours a day, snooker is a lot harder than pool (any fom of pool) by an absolute mile and that is why that level of practise is required. Snooker is by far the harder game and if Reyes were to play Hendry best of 19 at snooker he would get massacred, i dont care what anybody says. And it wouldnt matter how much Reyes practised at Snooker. In fact I would say there are hundreds of players out there that would destroy Reyes at snooker, if that werent the case then Reyes would be playing snooker trying to make money at it as there is so much more money in snooker than pool. If we look at the UK Daryl Peach and Mark Gray (arguably the best two players in the UK) dominate the Uk American Pool Scene but in the World of Snooker they did next to nothing (no disrespect). It is a lot easier to dominate pool than snooker and the greatest cueists in my opinion are the likes of Hendry, Davis, O'Sullivan, Reardon, Higgins etc. because simply snooker in terms of difficulty is in a different league to pool. You need to be a class cueist to be a top snooker player, you dont need to have any sort of action to be a top pool player (e.g. Souquet). dont know where to start with this but like machine said its one of the worst ever attempts! highlight few silly things said pool lot easier to domiante than snooker nearly fell out of my kingsize bed! why would reyes be playing snooker when there wasnt any snooker tables in philippines in 70s 80s at a guess plus pool massive there and he makes more money than nearly all the snooker players his a god in philippines his a inspiration to the country and he is certainly with all the pool players around the world his the only person that gets me memorised when his playing,only other guy that can do that to me his when ronnies at his best! you dont have to be a class cueist like you say to be a top snooker player you got to have dedication and a sheer love for the game and a talent to have a great eye for theball aswell and practise for hours on end etc g dott great cueist lol ken doherty ,peter ebdon,dave harold,selby,alex higgins,reardon,spencer,thorne,virgo,d taylor,thorburn,griffiths ,parrott,drago so many more there not great cueists at all.. but sheer hard work got them where they are and a good eye for ball and a good heart... but theres so many great cueists at snooker who cant make it ,maybe they havent got the same heart,dedication,and love for the game and sheer hard work, melling stands out for me,nick dyson maybe,Q Hann,many more! i think mick hill could have made it but too lazy and wasnt in his heart to do it! he loved pool maybe mellings the same,maybe even me! so to say u got to be a class cueist to be a top player at snooker is rubbish! snooker harder to pot the balls i grant we all know that, but pools not about just potting balls theres so much more skill to it which ive found out over past 18months and am still learning and i dominated a game for 10years along with mick hill but in my opinion american pools harder because so much to learn and so many more players globally around world at american pool than any other dicipline hence its a mine field so many great players and so many very good players and so many good players and so many capable players and in american pool lot more luck involved so these factors make the game harder imo! mark grays had 33 competitive 147s at snooker but maybe he didnt have the heart and love for it only he knows! theres so many factors! but its your opinion ur entitled to it as i am with mine all had say is have been round the block more than any other uk player and feel i know what am talking about some might disagree ,fine opinions are great.. i just think your opinion on the above is utter rubbish! but no problem ur entitled to say what u feel is right! Profile Quote

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