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pooljedi
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Joined: 18-Apr-2006
Posts: 293
From: Preston
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Posted: 2007-04-23 13:54
the events are getting better and better but i think the quality of the field is putting some people off.
i dont think its a bad thing cause the standard is fantastic but when i started there were 20 or so players who were club players and they got tanked.
may be in a new location these players will be back to try their hand but the manchester locals know the score already.
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SkyBlueJim
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Joined: 16-Jan-2007
Posts: 328
From: Coventry
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Posted: 2007-04-23 14:02
I think part of the problem with attracting newcomers on board is the cost of the tournaments.
Before i carry on i should point out i'm not campaigning here for lower tournament entries!
As a non member of the tour it would have cost me £65 to enter on saturday before i consider travel costs, food/drink costs, and in all reality i know i am not good enough to compete yet and would more than likely lose my first two matches.
I do think the entry fee is about right though, and it wont stop me playing in stafford and maybe one or two others this year, but it is too much for a complete beginner to pay just to make up the numbers in every tournament
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Riggers
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Joined: 30-Mar-2006
Posts: 4454
From: Barnsley (centre of the universe)
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Posted: 2007-04-23 15:52
Good point SkyBlueJim. That's one of the reasons some of our english pool specialists recommend 3 events instead of one i.e. ameteur (low entry fee), Pro (high entry fee and prob limited to 16 or 32 players) and an Open event (medium entry fee), which gives everyone the chance to play in at least 2 events if they want to. It might be a step too far just yet but might be worth trialing. [ This message was edited by: Riggers on 2007-04-23 15:53 ]
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boyzi
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Joined: 10-Apr-2006
Posts: 385
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Posted: 2007-04-23 16:16
i for one think this is the way to go riggers as u know.
i think the top 16 players should play in a pro event.and pay 100a man to play,at the moment the ranking system is false so dont know if that would work until its a 12month system.or u could ask who wants to play in a 16 man comp or just use your head and pick.
then all other players play in a separate amature event paying 20-25-30quid which eva decided.this way lesser players get the chance to pick up money.
then we all play in the main tour like we do now paying 40-50 woteva to enter,
scrap double elim,but its like having double elim because u have 2 comps to play in...
maybe even try to get clubs around the uk to sponsor the pro event so we just play down to final and then play final at a club,im sure miscues and other clubs would love to hold the final of pro9 ball comp in there club on a night to get people in to watch..
thoughts people ?
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boyzi
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Posts: 385
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Posted: 2007-04-23 16:22
sorry i forgot to say i think micky flynns would prob want to host a final too.i think its a great atmosphere doxn there and this is what pool needs..what not snooker players where pool players.we want banter an cheering ATMOSPHERE
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thediamond
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Joined: 13-Mar-2006
Posts: 1520
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Posted: 2007-04-23 17:01
You want banter pal? I will give you banter.......where are the two uglys?
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dynamitedaz
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Joined: 21-Mar-2006
Posts: 2200
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Posted: 2007-04-23 17:03
pal
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thediamond
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Posted: 2007-04-23 17:16
Not you pal...even though you could get the 8 and the breaks off the elephant man in the looks department, I am talking about an even greater crime against nature......Dazzler and Paddy.
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412-414
Just can't stay away
Joined: 08-Nov-2006
Posts: 100
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Posted: 2007-04-23 18:30
Maybe its this pathetic break rule thats putting people off.
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dazzler
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Joined: 14-Mar-2006
Posts: 1289
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Posted: 2007-04-23 18:42
On 2007-04-23 17:16 , thediamond Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Not you pal...even though you could get the 8 and the breaks off the elephant man in the looks department, I am talking about an even greater crime against nature......Dazzler and Paddy. Crime against nature? wow....PAL!!...hahaha.... Paddy, boystrous, Dyno, Machine.......what dya reckon? .....Diamond, i didnt even know you were there at the tournament this weekend until someone pointed out to me that you were sat down behind the tournament desk........so i took a quick nosey under the desk, and there you were!....we will have to get you a high chair for next event so you can reach the table to clean your shafts etc. hahahahaha. ----------------- 
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dazzler
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Posted: 2007-04-23 18:48
......and now on a serious note, Boyzi did mention this to me some time ago for an idea for the EPT. I honestly think it would be much more suited to 9ball as you could fit the amount of matches required into a weekend, where as 8ball matches tend to last longer and it would be a real push to do this in 2 days. Its a superb idea, and like he says, everyone gets a true chance to cash.....and that is what we want to achieve....to give everyone a sense of value for their money. It gets my vote anyway! -----------------
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Riggers
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Joined: 30-Mar-2006
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From: Barnsley (centre of the universe)
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Posted: 2007-04-23 19:23
I'd like to see this tried out too. If it is to be single elim though I'd prefer races to 10.
While the EPT is having a short break why not use one of those dates for a trial run?
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Ossie
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Joined: 16-Dec-2006
Posts: 28
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Posted: 2007-04-23 19:25
Wicked ideas here fellas. Love it.
Low Numbers?? - its the "Manchester Tour" now. hopefully when they get some more venues it will encourage us southern Faries to get involved a bit more.
id have to get to the Semi just to break even on the weekend - While im loving the Match practice against what was obviously a fantastic field of players - id like to get something more than cutting even on reaching a Semi!
I think the Masters Event in Cambridge was a wake up for what is really possible in this country, if we want to see the best players playing for real money.
Even if you did the same as Mickeys 8 ball masters but had it for £200 a man (or whatever?) on either 10-ball or 9-ball you would get interest from the UK players alone. at least a field of 16. Which would make great 1 dayer events wherever they are plaid?
Anyway - Well done Daz and Boyzi, Top pool and also to everyone in the last 8. That was a tough field!
Ossie
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Danny
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Joined: 14-Mar-2006
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From: Manchester UK
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Posted: 2007-04-23 19:43
nobody want to go any deeper about the break rule comment. because i'm interested.
heard some funny things.
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thediamond
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Posted: 2007-04-23 23:08
Ha, ha, ha, ha!! High chair!! Gotta love it!
I got back to the computer too late for this one to take off.... never mind. Another night Dazzler. Hope the wife and baby are ok pal.
.....and now back to your scheduled programming.
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dynamitedaz
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Posted: 2007-04-24 00:46
tapped balls are ok if break from inside box! 2ball should have to be back of pack when racking!
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Shooter
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Posted: 2007-04-24 09:03
On 2007-04-23 13:09 , boyzi Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!!
whats the reason for this ?
there was 90odd at my first event
We've been over this before! For me it is location. If all the events are in Manchester the entries will get lower and lower. All the Northern players were happy when it was announced that they would all be in Manchester but I don't really think you all realised how serious it is. Will you all still be happy when there is less than 32 players. If this happens you may not even want to turn up yourselves. P.S. Well played at the weekend lads! ----------------- 
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dazzler
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Posted: 2007-04-24 09:34
No Jon i realised as i said openly on here that it wasnt good to have all events up north...even though i only live an hour away. Shirly has given me a couple of hints to just hold on for this season....then next season will be much better than ever!....she didnt give anything away, but she seemed very optamistic about next season!......Shirly? I agree with Dyno on the tapped balls situation....i also had a chat with Raj Lee and Imran at the weekend....tapped is a good thing to keep the pace of the matches up from a tourny organisers point of view, as it takes little time to rack the balls unlike with a convetional wooden triangle. The only problem we have is that the wing ball is virtually nailed on to go in....there is no skill whatso ever in the break shot any more.....and Raj and my argument was that we have proberbly the best 2 breaks in the UK, it has took us 8/10 years to develope our breaks to a standard in order to compete at a high level, and now all that practice and persivierance has gone to waist because the balls are tapped and its no longer needed! A possible solution is to rack the balls 1 ball higher and use a break box.....much harder to make a ball like this, which is how it should be! Just my opinion. -----------------
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Riggers
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Joined: 30-Mar-2006
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From: Barnsley (centre of the universe)
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Posted: 2007-04-24 10:39
I agree about the break. Jon - I know it's not ideal to have the tournaments so far away continually but if you look at English Pool as an example many of the big events are in Great Yarmouth which is a complete pig to get to for notherners yet they all love it because they set off on Friday and make a great weekend of it. This would need chnages to the format in my opinion (see some suggestions above) to give people better value for money but it can be done. As someone who is now only 55 mins away from the BPPPA events I actually miss the events in Colchester, St. Albans etc where you could have a good weekend away. From your point of view surely you are not that much worse off? How much further is Manchester as oppose to Colchester, Guildford, St. Albans, Northampton, Stirling etc? [ This message was edited by: Riggers on 2007-04-24 10:39 ]
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TheSurgeon
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Joined: 13-Mar-2006
Posts: 529
From: Leeds
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Posted: 2007-04-24 13:25
Break situation does need reviewing, any sort of half decent contact on the 1 and the wing fly's in, this needs to stop. I like the idea of racking a ball higher (which is what they do on the EuroTour I think?) and introducing the break box. Everyone would then need to develop a break, not just point, tap and make 3 balls! 6 ball is an easy game!!! [ This message was edited by: TheSurgeon on 2007-04-24 13:26 ]
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