9-Ball
Topic: BPPPA prize money

We are trying a new system in Norway, where the season starts in February and ends in December.

There will be 3 divisions, which will be Premier Division, Division One and Division Two.

Those who are registered in Division Two can also compete in Division One and Premier Division if they like, but you can't compete in a lower division.

The entryfee in the Premier Division will not be the same for the players. If a Division Two player enters he will pay less than a Division One player.

From all the tournaments in Division One and Division Two (we will have 5 regions in Norway, so that means 5 different Division One and 5 different Division Two) 1/5 of the entryfee from those divisions will become added pricemoney in the different 7 tournaments in the Premier Division (which is only national, not regional) Most of the added money from the lower divisions will be added money to the last tournament of the year, The Master.

With this system, based on numbers of players the last two seasons, it looks like The Master will have about 3500 € in first price, and the other tournaments in the Premier Division will have about 800 € in first price. (If 60 players average on the 6 other tournaments, which will be dissapointing since we are having about 100 players for the Nationa Championships)

I guess there are a lot more players in the UK compared to Norway, so this system could make the pricemoney increase heavily on your Island, and also attract more players to the top tournaments since the bad players won't pay as much as the best...

Just my thoughts...


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I think the solution is surprisingly simple. Using the EPT as an example, if you charge a higher entrance fee you will attract a large field of the best players in the country and even some from abroad. At least 60% of the players who have played in the EPT to date will feel that they had a good chance of winning the events they played in and will continue to enter future events.
This will of course discourage most of the average players who don't feel they have a chance against the big boys, but surely this is what we are wnating to work towards, a truely high quality professional tour. And with more prize money up for grabs and the chance of receiving a genuine ranking I think people would be more excited about the prospect of taking part.

its about knowing where your money is going u mean.bpppa is not good value for money.we dont expect millions of pounds in winnings.just some consistency..and there is alot of talent in tis country

Agree your point JC im not profoundly saying that the tour should go top heavy with prizr money.im merly stating that the prize money is one facalty of many which combined make imho a very poor tour.the word professional associated with such a set up in its self is very laughable!

my point is this... we produce all the best 8b players(small table) we produce the best snooker and billiards players now why cant we produce the best 9b players?

now i agree that other vountries have played longer and have been inbread into one discipline as opposed to have to change like the majority of uk players have BUT in every sport you need a structure in place for the next genration,this generation etc etc.

and imho if the bpppa is the best 9b tour we can offer then we will NEVER EVER produce a player remotely close to winning a WORLD TITLE and with the talent we have and as a player thats very frustrating indeed.

And one of the big problems is that people don't have the answers to what are the fundamental problems that face anyone that wants to establish a successful (and well paying) American pool tour in this country and many others countries worldwide. There simply isn't the commercial interest to support it and so it always falls on the back of those who are interested in it i.e. the entry fee paying players. The reasons behind this have been discussed until the cows come home on here and still nobody wants to admit and face the plain truth.

For Christ sake this is not football and sky sports are not going to pay us untold riches to swagger around the tables of the UK. Sponsors? What sponsors? Why would anyone sponsor it to any substantial degree? Look at the IPT - the largest ever venture in american pool sports, with the most professional ever set up, in a country with 250 million people, a substantial proportion of whom play the sport. Could they get a viable revenue structure established - NO. Did the paying public turn up in sufficient numbers to watch the product on offer - NO. If this doesn't work under these circumstances then why would a UK tour make financial sense to sponsors and tour operators?

Can anyone see history repeating itself here? National tour gets lambasted, competitor tours spring up in response (with motives serving some and not others), national tour potentially dwindles and ........ to be continued. End result BACK TO SQUARE ONE, no further along. Am I the only one with a sense of Deja Vu? I'm not even called Denzel!

The only real way to get any money into this sport at the moment is via people with philanthropic intentions. One could argue in the UK Mark Segal is one such person, and the reason the EPT can guarantee better payouts. Some people once thought Mr Trudeau was such a person - but illusions have been shattered we think. Otherwise viable formats are players making up the majority of the prize fund or smaller scale tournaments designed for Sky, ala Matchroom sport events. Why doesn't matchroom run a UK tour - because there would be nothing in it for them.

Some people need to take a dose of reality and see where it leaves them on some of these issues. Let's not cut our noses off!!!

RT

On 2006-12-18 14:12 , jc Wrote:

Here, here that man. Too many personal motives here unfortunately.

Read This - a little harsh sir, you don't want to depress everyone and have them give up all together.

rt can u see a problem with the prize structure of the 10ball tour

read this..... i agree 100% with your post. though i dont think a bit of consistency with regards to the set-up is to much to ask.

the point being karl is your asking all monies up front! therefore prize fund always the same.

people travel 200 mile know exactly what they are getting, the bpppa is x amount one minute then z amount the next. gr8 organising professional tour your having a giraffe!

it just needs some common sense.we all know that the money isnt going to be great and where not going to make thousands but i believe there is a way round it..like the membership money should be paid out.the bpppa doesnt pay any percent of memberships out..this is where u genarate your prize money from

most of my time will be spent abroad next few years its the only way to improve and make money...

fortunatley for me i havent got any ties which allows me to do this..

if its a professional tour then it should be run professionally and all money guaranteed.prize fund break down the same for all events!

people should know where they stand with prize fund breakdown before they get to the event!

On 2006-12-18 14:28 , boyzi Wrote:

That really isn't the point I am making is it? Points I am trying to make are;

(1) some people want more money from their participation in this sport in the UK. Unless there are a number of philanthropists hiding in the trees the only way that happens is by charging higher entry fees and making the prize structures more top heavy. Some players, pay other players more money. This probably has some consequences.

(2) disattisfaction with the current regime leads to new tours springing up as we are seeing, which potentially undermines the viability of rivals (don't try to convince me we're all living happily ever after together tour operators). We've seen this before but have we learnt from it?

So yes the prize structure of the 10 ball tour looks OK to me but that was not the tenor of my post.

Regards,

RT.

and dont you have to pay 5% tax from winnings??or am i thinking of something else?

your thinking ept dyno...wen u bk

its a mickey mouse set-up. there is no plan. the structure changes from one event to the next! next event last 64 prob get £7.50 back to cover everyones dinner money it realy wouldnt shock me!
believe me guys im not tryiny to put anyone down put enough is enough.
i,d love to come and play these events bit when you have to get to the semis to win £20 what you surposed to do!
back to why i feel so passionate about this i mean have you seen the standard of nine-ball on tv since they have tightened the pockets and you actually need a CUE ACTION and you hit the rail 3foot from the bag?

well i have it been average!
i,m convinced we can produce a WORLD CHAMPION but again i firmly believe we need a proper tour,proper players!

On 2006-12-18 14:39 , dynamitedaz Wrote:

But we all know (as noted by someone above) that this isn't really a professional tour in the sense of the status of the people who play on it. How many players who play or have played on the BPPPA are full-time pool pros making their living solely from pool related activities? Very few indeed. So why are we all pretending that it is or could possible be this in the near future? For example as Darren says he is out of the country for the forseeable future trying to improve and make a living.

I predict an implosion which will leave us no better off.

RT

agrre again read this..... but i think dyno was refering to the organising and set-up as opposed to players!

i mean to have to return on the sunday for the £30 is side splitting time!

On 2006-12-18 14:45 , the-MACHINE Wrote:

So tell us how? How, how, how? How do you produce what you want in this country? I'm all ears. It is so easy to point out what is wrong, but so hard to come up with constructive and practicable solutions.

If they didn't pay the last 32 would you be happy? In fact if we guaranteed certain players a certain proportion of the prize fund would that be acceptable?

Only joking.

RT