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JonnyC
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Posted: 2007-08-06 21:14
The new tour sounds great but i am a little concerned that there is no reduced fee for juniors ie under 18's as i think that people like myself will find it hard to pay that amount of money.
Thanks, Jonny
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PC
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Posted: 2007-08-06 23:54
On 2007-08-06 21:14 , JonnyC Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! The new tour sounds great but i am a little concerned that there is no reduced fee for juniors ie under 18's as i think that people like myself will find it hard to pay that amount of money.
Thanks, Jonny Jonny, I think Lee's idea is that the juniors already have a tour, if you look at world snooker a "pro tour" its the same irrespective of age. I'm probably going to pay the fees even though i might only make 2 events as i want to see 9 ball do well in the uk for the future. Dave ----------------- 
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Cue_Of_Thunder
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Posted: 2007-08-07 02:49
On 2007-08-06 23:54 , PC Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! On 2007-08-06 21:14 , JonnyC Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! The new tour sounds great but i am a little concerned that there is no reduced fee for juniors ie under 18's as i think that people like myself will find it hard to pay that amount of money.
Thanks, Jonny
Jonny,
I think Lee's idea is that the juniors already have a tour, if you look at world snooker a "pro tour" its the same irrespective of age.
I'm probably going to pay the fees even though i might only make 2 events as i want to see 9 ball do well in the uk for the future.
Dave
Good point Dave. I think we should all have a whip-round for Jonny Boy. If not, he'll have to take up busking outside Rileys Leeds. Just how much are the fees for this new fangled tour? Jason
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JonnyC
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Posted: 2007-08-07 13:32
hahaha penny for the guy
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-08-07 14:23
Jason, details of proposed tour fees and brief info on the tour is in this flyer. http://www.rigbys.biz/flyer.pdfThese are subject to possible change but final figures will be announced on our website soon.
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TheWizard
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Posted: 2007-08-07 18:03
BUMP  Willie
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dynamitedaz
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Posted: 2007-08-07 18:27
u will find the money jonny great talent you are mate!!
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jc
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Posted: 2007-08-07 18:28
Sorry to be on a downer, but take this as constructive rather than purely negative: I still think it's not a good idea to make people pay in advance for all games. I could make 2, may be 3 and would go along, but there's no way I can make them all ...
I hope I'm wrong, but i don't think you'll get 94 runners cos of this ...
Also, are you starting this up as a genuine company registered at companies house?
J
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-08-07 18:59
JC, There are a number of ways I could go regarding the constitution of the company. May I ask why you ask this?
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mrbuzz
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Posted: 2007-08-07 19:09
i think it's much better to pay in advance, that way you can guarantee prize money.
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the_locomotive
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Posted: 2007-08-07 19:48
Hi, Jonny does have a good point .. I believe if juinors did get a discount it would make them more interested in playing on the new tour! It sounds like a great tour and I cant wait for it to be set up , really looking forward to it !! Thanks again to riggers, shir and the other guys for making british pool go further into the future 
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Cue_Of_Thunder
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Posted: 2007-08-07 19:54
Yeah I agree, but i know that some players won't be happy with someone getting a concesion and then walking away with the lions share of the prize money.
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cusack_147
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Posted: 2007-08-07 19:57
There shouldnt be any discounts allowed for anyone in my opinion. As said before the juniors already have a tour in place if they cannot afford to support this one. Another thing is that anyone who enters at discounted rates will be able to win the same prize money as someone who paid full whack, thats just not right. Also this tour is limited to 96 players. This means if there were discounts for juniors, for every junior that joined the tour there would less prize money available for everyone else. If were going to have junior and female discounts why not go all the way and make student discounts, oap discounts, discounts for jobseekers etc etc. This new GB9ball tour is the way forward and discounts in my opinion are not. [ This message was edited by: cusack_147 on 2007-08-07 19:58 ]
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TheWizard
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Posted: 2007-08-07 20:37
I agree with cuesack on this one, it's going to be hectic enough getting a spot on the tour + like it's been mentioned the BPPPA is taking to do with the juniors and ladies tours, and so, with men's tours being operated independantly, this allows for more oppertunity and prize money with the set up that Riggers, Shir, Si, and the rest of the good people at GB9BT, have been working on I think that it's already fair enough that players can pay their fees in installments, if you go to many other tours, I don't think that they woiuld be as hospitiable, it would a case of either cash up front, or keep walkin. I think that for £500 for an entire season, is alot better than some of you may realise. Willie
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pooljedi
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Posted: 2007-08-07 20:54
in an ideal world there would be unlimited spots no entrance fee and prize money and free hotels for all !!
unfortunatley this is obviously not where we are and hence i am sure if we all sit here long enough we can pick holes in any proposed alternatives.
the situation is that at present this plan takes us foward, offers good value with a good possibility of a return. in future years with a strong tour we can all hope to be a little closer to my first plan.
but for now we need to accept that this is the best way foward and for those who cant commit there are more and more smaller events now with a good standard and as we only have 6 tour dates we hope to leave room for more.
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JonnyJP
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Posted: 2007-08-08 13:24
Cusack brings up a decent point about juniors which makes me think who is going to be allowed on the new GB9BT.
Personally, if the BPPPA have set up decent juniors, womens and wheelchair tours (which I keep hearing are really successful) then I don't see why these should be allowed to take up space on the GB9BT.
I'm not having a go, but there's going to be plenty of guys who won't get on the GB9BT and will not have another tour to go on. Effectively, junior, women and wheelchair players have got a choice of two.
What does everyone else think?
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DomOnThe9
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Posted: 2007-08-08 13:29
I have to disagree with you there Jonny. Being a junior myself i dont think there is enough on the current junior tour.
By playing in the 5 tournaments per year we are not going to improve and get better match experience. I for one have been playing on the BPPPA for 2 years now and feel that i have improved dramatically. However if i stopped with the junior tour i dont think i would have improved.
And the way forward for 9 ball in this country is to promote the youth game, like they do in china, us, holland germany which is great 9 ball nations.
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-08-08 13:33
On 2007-08-08 13:24 , JonnyJP Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Cusack brings up a decent point about juniors which makes me think who is going to be allowed on the new GB9BT.
Personally, if the BPPPA have set up decent juniors, womens and wheelchair tours (which I keep hearing are really successful) then I don't see why these should be allowed to take up space on the GB9BT.
I'm not having a go, but there's going to be plenty of guys who won't get on the GB9BT and will not have another tour to go on. Effectively, junior, women and wheelchair players have got a choice of two.
What does everyone else think? GB9BT wil be first come first served in season 1 with a discount for ladies (at the tour's discretion this may be limited to the first n ladies to join). If the demand is as high as current feedback suggests entry to subsequent seasons will be via ranking position or qualification event. So, in season 1 anyone can join providing you pay the entry fee by the due date. [ This message was edited by: Riggers on 2007-08-08 13:34 ]
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JonnyJP
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Posted: 2007-08-08 13:42
By entry to subsequent seasons via ranking position, I assume you mean sometihng like the top 64 retain their place on the tour?
Sounds good.
I've just realised I can't get to the bloody Nottingham tourney on the 25th!!!!
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-08-08 13:47
On the subject of junior discount, I share Dom's view and understand how important it is to invest in the youth, especially here where we have so much talent emerging. That's why it's so important we build a successful main tour for them to progress to!
Unfortunately, in season 1 when we are introducing such a radical new format, which is underpinned by the concept of fixed income and guaranteed prize money it's not practical to offer an unlimited number of juniors a discount to join the new tour. This is where we have to work with the BPPPA to ensure we get a sensible solution and the right balance so we'll clearly have to look at this again in subsequent seasons.
There's a possibility, for example, we could offer a discounted spot on the GB9BT for the top n ranked players on the youth tour. This would be done in conjunction with the BPPPA.
It's a shame we're not in a position to offer a discount in season 1 but I really hope the top juniors are able to secure backers because there's no doubt in my mind that, if the top 5 or 6 juniors join the tour at full price they will easily win their money back during the course of the year and some of them are hot tips to be ranked in the top 16. Matt, Phil, Tony, Thomas, Ben, and even you Jonny should do very well indeed!
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