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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-06-29 14:25
If the tour started on a Friday night Jonny you wouldn't need to take every Friday off work. If there were fewer events (say 6) and they were spread evenly around the country you might only need time off work for 2. 2 half day hols per year is not that bad is it! Remember this is supposed to be a professionally run tour, not just a day out on a Saturday afternoon!
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Posted: 2007-06-29 14:27
When I say celebrity, whilst it would be great to have our top players recongnised in the street I was merely referring to their status amongst players and followers of pool. I'm talking about the type of status Messrs Appleton & Hill enjoy at an English pool tour event.
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Posted: 2007-06-29 14:36
On 2007-06-29 14:14 , JonnyJP Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Boyzi, good idea but this wouldn't work. This would take too long to complete in a weekend. If it started on a Friday, this is when most players would be travelling down. We can't have every Friday off work! nut im sure most of the pro's are full time pool players so im sure they could have fri off
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Posted: 2007-06-29 14:36
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Posted: 2007-06-29 14:39
i think boyzi has got it spot on
snooker have got it the right way, with proffessional tour and the pios merit tour
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TheWizard
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Posted: 2007-06-29 14:41
I'm not so sure about that, there are very few pool players, that are actually full time professional pool players, Dazzler being one and a few others, and so, the friday offmay not quite be as easy as it sound, but I would imagine that there is some way or another, that the players, can arrange to have that extra 1/2 off once a month, just the same as any other pool player that works F/T  Willie
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-06-29 14:43
The biggest tour in the UK is the english pool tour made up predominantly of amaters with day jobs. They have no problem attending their tour events covering a full weekend. They don't turn up at saturday lunchtime and go home Sunday morning!
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JonnyJP
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Posted: 2007-06-29 14:50
Getting anywhere from Glasgow is tricky if you don't drive. But I managed it last month, it's just a pain sometimes (I only got in at 2am the night before the last event - not good when I had to travel the next day too).
I don't think the tour should be limited to 6 events because that hasn't worked well for snooker at all. It isn't a better representation of a players form if there are 2 month gaps between events (assuming 6 in one year).
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nicknameless
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Posted: 2007-06-29 15:28
IMHO at the moment one of the most productive moves might be to drop the word 'professional' from the tour, and at least from the discussions surrounding it. Until the present reality that american pool in the UK (and the majority of the world for that matter) is essentially an amateur sport with very few people actually making a decent living from playing, it's very difficult to have a constructive and sensible discussion about what would best serve a 'new style' tour here and now in the UK.
Before you can have that discussion you have to decide who you are trying to cater for and therefore please. If we can bring a little realism to the discussions (to suit the current climate for american pool here and now) then perhaps things will progress.
At present a UK tour simply cannot satisfy eveybody's needs, wants, and ambitions.
We all want to see it grow - so we're left with the old chicken and egg argument.
What do we want - a large vibrant and affordable amateur tour that does what it says (i.e. tours) or a small expensive 'professional' tour that puts off loads of players but still has no sponsorship?
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-06-29 15:54
When I've used the word profesional I was referring to professionally run rather than as an indicator of the skill or full time nature of any of the participants.
If all we want is a load of events that please the amateur majority you have that now with all the local events springing up everywhere. In my opinion the main national tour should be much more special and to use a word I've used before, 'prestigious'. That doesn't mean you don't invest in teh grass roots or put something on to cater for non-tour players but I do feel it's about time we had a proper tour for serious players.
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Posted: 2007-06-29 16:01
On 2007-06-29 15:54 , Riggers Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! When I've used the word profesional I was referring to professionally run rather than as an indicator of the skill or full time nature of any of the participants.
If all we want is a load of events that please the amateur majority you have that now with all the local events springing up everywhere. In my opinion the main national tour should be much more special and to use a word I've used before, 'prestigious'. That doesn't mean you don't invest in teh grass roots or put something on to cater for non-tour players but I do feel it's about time we had a proper tour for serious players. Appreciate and agree with that. It just depends on the 'amateur' aimed at. I was meaning the sort of people who have attended tour events over the last 2/3 years and have dwindled in number or not consistently attended, but who might start to baulk at the idea of £100 plus entry fees. Not the £3 weekly tourny ball bangers.
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-06-29 16:13
I don't think we are looking at combined entry / membership fees any higher than what is currently being paid for the BPPPA tour but there is a proposal for higher entry fees for a certain category of player. Just to reitterate this all has to be agreed along with other ideas during a consultation period with players but I'm sure we're on to a winner here.
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Posted: 2007-06-29 18:06
defo wy forward rigger well done mate appreciate it and am sure players will when gets of ground!! nlets hope no more bad landings hey
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Posted: 2007-06-29 18:20
international pool tour in uk english pool is best run pool tour in england by absolute country mile it makes bppa events look like one day open events,plus it as 2 tv events where amatuers can enter all part of the tour all played in hotels time schedule spot on tables spot on and 90% of time very well run!
and 9ball should be looking to do the same thing its not hard and what riggers etc are doing its defo way forward and the only way forward to gain stabilty at all levels and prestige!
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-boyzi-
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Posted: 2007-06-29 18:42
yeh well done riggers great idea....it must of been that listening on way home from austria lol
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-06-29 19:45
On 2007-06-29 18:42 , -boyzi- Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! yeh well done riggers great idea....it must of been that listening on way home from austria lol Hey Boyzone, rest-assured you will get full credit if this new format is implemented in fact I've already made sure people know who was the catalyst in suggesting it. I'm just trying not to go into detail too much on here at this stage because, like I said, this is just one idea of a few and a consultation period needs to take place first. But you can be sure I will do everything I can to work with the BPPPA to help the project and then the implementation be a success.
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-boyzi-
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Posted: 2007-06-29 19:50
your the man riggers u can do it...go on riggers............who whooooooooooo
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-06-29 22:13
errrm, thanks.
And what's with the new user name Boyzi?
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Posted: 2007-06-30 06:14
cant wait for boyzi to get credit.. me and mick told him then he told you thats why!! lol pals
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