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-boyzi-
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Joined: 25-Jun-2007
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Posted: 2007-06-29 11:41
lets hope the team of people go with my ideas seen as every1 i have spoke too likes the sound of it...also y is it all behind closed doors again riggers..this has been the problem over the last few seasons,,daryl u will be waiting along time for this phone call--as the saying goes to many cheifs not enough indians
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-06-29 11:54
There will be nothing behind closed doors Boyzi but for a project to be successful you can't have too many fingers in the pie. This is a project which is in very early stages but I know there will be a consultation period before implementation so don't worry about that. As an example your ideas have been put to me as a players council member and I've taken them forward to other players council members, other players and ultimately to the BPPPA president. Together the idea has been developed along with other ideas and now we are looking to take things forward. So what you are seeing now is democracy within the organisation and a 'can do' attitude. What you will see next is consultation then action (with continual consultation and democracy as we move along). Short term annoucements will follow then after brief consultation periods with larger groups you can expect to hear more detail about the exciting plans for the BPPPA and the tours it supports. So just trust me on this, it's time to stop wingeing about the past and get on the train. See you in Barnsley. [ This message was edited by: Riggers on 2007-06-29 11:55 ]
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glossopscratcher
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Posted: 2007-06-29 11:59
riggers whats the crack for the barnsley open, if its a BPPPA event now, is it going to cost me £65 as im not a member?
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-boyzi-
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Posted: 2007-06-29 11:59
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
come on sir kev please please please.............pretty please
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-06-29 13:01
On 2007-06-29 11:59 , glossopscratcher Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! riggers whats the crack for the barnsley open, if its a BPPPA event now, is it going to cost me £65 as im not a member? You'll need to wait for the flyer but I think that will be the case as it's a normal scheduled tour event.
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matej
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Joined: 22-Jun-2007
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Posted: 2007-06-29 13:02
Maybe the best solution for your tours is to devide them into 2 groups.
Top league. Let say 32 players most.
And b-players all the others. I thing you should get a lot of new players because a lot of not so good players are not coming to the events because they are scered of top players. So they are just filling the budget. Give them b league and not alowed top players to come. Then you will see how much interest is there in this.
It is very hard all the way I thing and not just in UK everywhere.
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glossopscratcher
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Posted: 2007-06-29 13:11
matej - just what im thinking too!
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expertfluke
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Posted: 2007-06-29 14:25
Yeah it would be interesting to know what the average players think - about entering BPPPA comps. (Now this is supposing it was nationwide and not just in Manchester.)
Do average players
A) like the idea or playing pro's even though likely to be beaten as it improves their game.
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B) Stay away because they feel they have no chance.
Maybe this could be a pool poll - Big D
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-06-29 14:29
Whatever the answer I'm sure you'll get a mixed response so giving them the best of both worlds has to be the way forward. No brainer if you ask me.
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TheWizard
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Posted: 2007-06-29 14:36
I agree with riggers on this one, if you start splitting tours into section for various skill levels, then the good ameteur players, aren't going to be having the chance to learn anything from the better players, they're just going to wind up being stuck at a certain level and not be able to achieve what they would like to achieve, and in that sense, things wouldn't be any better, than they have been. For players who want to have a chance of winning an event or 2, the simple solution is to put more practice in, after all, the top pros practice often enough, as well as competing independant events, as it keeps them sharp, whilst they're improving themselves  In the end of the day, your ability will reflect how much effort you have put into your game and I'm sure there are many players that will be aware of this too Willie
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-06-29 14:39
The answer: Run a prestigious tour for serious players where pros and amateurs both get value for money. Run some additional open events / one off events to encourage and attract non-tour players. Simple. [ This message was edited by: Riggers on 2007-06-29 14:40 ]
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glossopscratcher
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Posted: 2007-06-29 14:41
On 2007-06-29 14:39 , Riggers Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! The answer:
Run a prestigious tour for serious players where pros and amateurs both get value for money. Run some additional open events / one off events to encourage and attract non-tour players. Simple.
sounds good
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pooljedi
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Posted: 2007-06-29 16:00
i like playing the top boys cause i learn so much that i can use next time
i played carl morris on saturday id have had to pay more if id have asked for some lessons, thats what i got but i played a few more games as well ...lovley
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dynamitedaz
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Posted: 2007-06-29 16:44
On 2007-06-29 09:29 , dazzler Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! On 2007-06-29 05:39 , dynamitedaz Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! what have seen over past 12 months we have maybe at least 20 odd strong players maybe more and standard defo got better past year
in no order
1.hundal
2.boyes
3.drago
4.majid
5.fulcher
6.osbourne
7.peach
8.jason shaw
9.crosby
10.donlon
11.carl morris
12.richard jones
13.mark gray
14.stuart colclough
15.kevin uzzell
16.pat holtz
17.matt lawrence
18.mick hill if played more
19.neil raybone if played more
20.phil harrison if played more
21.bobby lee
22.richard broumpton
23.kevin hew
24.matt overton
25.mike rogers
26.anthony ginn
27.andy richardson
28.andy worthington
29.paddy the ginger kid
30.dvali
theres planty more good sticks too prob missed some
widlow,t singh,chapman,buckmaster, k smith,,stephenson,jon davies,steve brown,james kay,phil burford, t burton,symmons,mcCarthy,riggers,higton.mckenna if still plays etc etc etc
so looking at list above be great if we had a consistant field like the one above all time the winner would be spread about so much more i think and the quality would get better all time !!
out of the 30 above how many usually turn up for a bpppa event maybe around 10-12 tops
be great if we had large tough fields all time good formats etc all the players there then we had have a fair ranking reflection!
it can be done lets hope it happens !
Daz, out of the 30 names you have mentioned above, 6 live across water and 3 dont even play 9ball....so really your list consists of 21 players that could realisticly play UK events.
Then out of those 21 that are left, 2 live in Scotland and 6 live in London (all 8 currently have at least a 450 mile round trip if they wanted to play)
So that now leaves 13 players from your list....which is more or less the players that still come to the events!
As Riggers said, hopefully things are gonna change and venues will be more spread from now on!
Add players to your list:
Steve Knight.
Lee Tucker.
Mike Valentine.
Adam Clarke.
Geoff Dunn.
Ross McInnes.
Ben Davies.
Steve Davis.
Micky Lambert.
Ian West.
Gary Stewart.
Brad Parker.
Martin Correia.
Pal Williams.
Courtny Symmons.
Thomas Ainsworth Smith.
Phil Burford.
Tony Burton.
Gareth Esprit.
Nick Dyson.
James Frith.
Tony Weafer.
Matt Hyden.
Damian Massey.
Rico Diks (lives in London)
Jay Trivedi.
Raj Sagoo.
The list could go on and on...so there are plenty of good quality players in the UK.....we just need a tour that will attract them back....and then once attracted, they need to have targets on the tour in order to help them to keep coming back!
Like i said a million times, i have many good ideas that i would like to help the bpppa with.....still waiting for the phone call though.
so the bpppa regulars are 1.peach 2.worthington 3.carl morris 4.karl boyes 5.matt lawrence 6.mike rogers 7.mark gray 8,dvali 9.donlon 10.colclough from my list thats what i mean pal we should have 20 top quality players at each event and we can easily acheive this! if the money and events were right the likes of me,mick,neil,raj,imran,tony,rocket,j shaw,pat holtz,ben davies,harrison,r jones,paddy etc would all be there regualar! lets hope it happens for the good of the game
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Simmo
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Posted: 2007-06-29 17:31
Sorry Darren as I totally respect you and your game but your logic does not really make sense. If you all turned up and played that would be another 13 Top players at the event, another £600 in the kitty and more incentive to other players which is the kind of support that the tour needs. You are fortunate enough to play for better money, but if we want the tour to be a success we have to support it and we need the big names in the events Perfect example was Ronnie at the EPT ... speaks for itself!
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paddy147
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Posted: 2007-06-29 17:46
it doesnt matter where players live!!! if the conditions, prize money and the tournaments are run at a professional level they would be at every event!!!!
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dynamitedaz
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Posted: 2007-06-29 17:55
On 2007-06-29 17:31 , Simmo Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Sorry Darren as I totally respect you and your game but your logic does not really make sense. If you all turned up and played that would be another 13 Top players at the event, another £600 in the kitty and more incentive to other players which is the kind of support that the tour needs. You are fortunate enough to play for better money, but if we want the tour to be a success we have to support it and we need the big names in the events Perfect example was Ronnie at the EPT ... speaks for itself! your logic doesnt make much sense pal ive done what you suggested for 15 years am too old and sick to the stomach of doing my supporting bit, if the other top 10 turned up its only another £500 in pot ppl like myself want a structure similar to euro tour where the moneys guaranteed the events are quality and can make profit if get quarter finals etc i play for a living not just love! and we ewant value for money or decent value! ronnie turned up for ept for number of reasons 1. he wanted to learn 8ball because of ipt 2. was on his doorstep 3. its not his living 4. if it was snooker and 2k winner do you think he would support it?? 5.after that event he never hit a ball since at pool! dynamitebaits!
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paddy147
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Posted: 2007-06-29 18:01
and he got a few quid for turning up probably!!!!
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nicknameless
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Posted: 2007-06-29 22:52
On 2007-06-29 17:55 , dynamitedaz Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! On 2007-06-29 17:31 , Simmo Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Sorry Darren as I totally respect you and your game but your logic does not really make sense. If you all turned up and played that would be another 13 Top players at the event, another £600 in the kitty and more incentive to other players which is the kind of support that the tour needs. You are fortunate enough to play for better money, but if we want the tour to be a success we have to support it and we need the big names in the events Perfect example was Ronnie at the EPT ... speaks for itself!
your logic doesnt make much sense pal
ive done what you suggested for 15 years am too old and sick to the stomach of doing my supporting bit, if the other top 10 turned up its only another £500 in pot ppl like myself want a structure similar to euro tour where the moneys guaranteed the events are quality and can make profit if get quarter finals etc i play for a living not just love! and we ewant value for money or decent value!
ronnie turned up for ept for number of reasons
1. he wanted to learn 8ball because of ipt
2. was on his doorstep
3. its not his living
4. if it was snooker and 2k winner do you think he would support it??
5.after that event he never hit a ball since at pool!
dynamitebaits! I here what you are saying Daz and can fully understand it but I have to agree with Simmo. To have a successful tour for many players you need more than financial incentives and the chance to play against the best players in the country is one of those incentives. It's not really a fair comparison between a domestic tour and that of the Euro Tour. The Euro Tour has a sound and established financial model and is extremely well supported. Did they guarantee 5000 euro payouts at the outset I wonder? Again it's chicken and egg. Either have a tour set up so as to attract (i.e. financially) top players - isn't this very difficult to do without somebody's pockets getting emptied? Or a tour growing into something worthwhile partly via top players supporting it in recognition that that is what is needed to grow it into something they want to see. I appreciate we're not trying to make a living out of it and so it's difficult for us to put ourselves in the shoes of those players who are doing so, but I suppose the opposite also applies.
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dynamitedaz
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Posted: 2007-06-30 06:10
some fair points mate both ways i feel!
but i want value for money as someone who plays pool for a living, am too tired of travelling around uk for none valued events unless get final! with english pool i can reach last 16 of tour and have made bit of profit plus have a pro event to go at too!
if the events are set up good and decent value for money then more numbers will turn out am sure of that!
i wasnt saying have the money that euro tour as got thats a long way from where we are but have some sort of base and stability and guarantees !
what riggers and co are doing in my opinion is definatley the way forward it works very well for english 8ball tour so am sure it can 9ball! theres more players out there than we think!
also dazzler my list i put up was just a list of quality players we have in uk and its surprising how many we do have and its a shame we dont get at least 20 of them names but am sure in future we will !
anyway am one of these ppl if i think something as potential then ill support it!
way bpppa was going i couldnt see any light but maybe there is now we will see!
fingers crossed!
big thing we need is sponsors!
every poker websites should be approached in my opinion there sponsoring so many ceusports now why not uk9ball?
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