9-Ball
Topic: BPPPA prize money

Thank you Indiana for your reply and your views and like you say, it's the players that count and we all want the same thing, bigger tournaments, more players, competeing at the highest standard possible, as well as the rest of the guys wanting more prize money

Either way, something needs to be done and soon

Willie

apparently top pool players around the world prefer 10b to 9b...is this true

I can't speak for top players around the world, you'll have to ask them individualy yourself somehow or have a survey for which game that players prefer most of all the American Disciplines

10Ball is perfect for ring games, I'm not so sure about a 10Ball tournament/tour , especially when everyone is wanting the prize money on the BPPPA to be looked at again

As far as I see it, it's better to sort 1 thing out at a time and so, as far as I see it, first things first, you all want the payouts/tournament/whatever to improve in the UK, well then, sort that out first before you think about any new tours because the longer you take to try and sort something out, the longer it will be before it improves.

Willie

The top skilled players prefer rotation mate

shame i'm not one of them LOL

1pocket is the game to play

I'm sure when daz gets back he will have seen some rotation being played and he will tell you the skill involved......maybe he got to play some one hole too


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In The Phillippines, Rotation is the most popular game, especially for gambling, as they usually play the equivilent of like £10/ball in each game or something like that

Straight Pool Is a favourite on the continent and in NYC

Banks and 1-Pocket - Are Favourites in KY area

9Ball is a favourite in FL and many other US areas

It just depends where you are and which top players you're asking, as to what their fave discipline is

Willie

On 2006-12-18 21:54 , indiana Wrote:

Here, here again. Exactly what I had been trying to say earlier on.

There is a problem though, in that with Ted not in the best of health at the moment this simply isn't the right time to be pushing this. After all some things are more important than pool. It's just a case of whether people are prepared to be patient and try to get definitive answers to the questions which are still important to the players, many of which have been aired once again in this thread.

In my view what needs to happen eventually and at a point when Ted is well enough is as follows;

(1) the BPPPA needs to be more open to the players about the answers to all of the questions that come up time and time again. We all know what they are, so no need to re-hash them here really. Ideally this would include changes to the way decisions are made to include the players more (as the players council obviously isn't working for many - and that comment is not directed at anyone on the players council) and the way the working of the BPPPA is communicated to players and incorporates players' views.

(2) perhaps a little market research about what players like / dislike and would like to see and how this would encourage bigger and better tournaments for all would really help things. At the moment the only views that get heard are those from the people who shout loudest and longest, either here, or on the grapevine etc. etc. By the very nature these are not necessarily the views that the majority hold, or the ones that would necessarily result in the progression of the game here in the UK, something which we all want I think. Players meetings and AGMs are fine but again they favour those who will shout the loudest and so don't necessarily get to understand what everyone thinks on certain issues. So decisions made based on these ways of gathering 'player opinion' won't always result in improvements for all, and won't always be the best way forward. In an ideal world there needs to be some sort of feedback mechanism / survey of current members, players, and importantly potential players on which to base decisions that affect everyone. For longevity's sake this would need to become routine.

(3) (1) & (2) need to be resolved as best as possible. For this to work it would need the BPPPA to be open to changes it needs to make to ensure it's viability and for players to accept that not eveything will be to their liking and that there are a multitude of interests to satisfy.

If we don't get this sorted and do so in the relatively near future (when Ted is well again) then history is likely to repeat itself and we probably take another step backwards.

How to get the ball rolling with this, when it is the right time to do so is of course another matter.

Regards,

RT

My view is that it's good to discuss these things as long as it's done in a positive way and we are not seeing people publicly bashing the tour because this ultimately harms the tour, the organisation and the players because it damages the chances of gaining good sponsorship.

If you do have some real concerns about sensitive issues I think it best to take this up in person with the appropriate people (Players council, president etc).

I'd just like to see the discussion forum used for constructive debate about suggested improvements to formats and anything else discussed offline.

Well i for one think that this is constructive!

Been down the other route many times and nothing gets done mate.

Everyone reads this forum including Ted and all the other promoters....thats why we saw the minor improvements towards the end of the year i.e score boards, match times etc.........i had been mentioning this to the board for months and months before hand, so in that instance this forum was well worth its salt.
Personal bashing i dont agree with though, but i dont think thats been done in this thread really.

This is all for the good of the pool scene.

E9PT?....Yes Mark and myself could have put a 9ball tour on with bigger money instead of out 8ball tour, but that never came into our heads because I know the work that Ted has put into the bpppa to get it to the stage that its at now and that isnt what the EPT is about, and like its already been said here....2 9ball tours isnt good as we saw when Ted arrived against Doug.
Ted doesnt put any events on regarding to the other disciplins except for maybe 1 8ball event per year with half prize money, so i personally agree with more tours of different disciplins because at least it gives us a chance to catch up to other nations like USA for 1 who play everything. We are miles behind when it comes to 1 pocket, bank pool, 14-1 etc because we havent had the chance to play them on a competative front!

The other thing to mention about this 1 tour thing, is what good has it done in the past? I mean really guys come on, Doug was the only tour for a good 6 years or so, then Ted came along for the next 3 years, and we are still exactly in the smae spot as we were 10 years ago when doug first started!....i remember 10 years ago winning events and getting £1200 every time, last event winner got £850! nuf said!

At the end of the day, if players feel that they are not getting value for money then they will just stop playing and take up golf or something......you only need to look at the players over the years that have come and gone to learn that.....i can think of at least 100 names easy!!!

The main thing that needs to be done is LESS EVENTS!....just take a look at the EPT site, and what it says on the "ABOUT" page, when it comes to the number of events.

Im sorry for the length of this post but id rather say everything in one go than 20! hahaha.....im a busy man....hahahaha!


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i agree with pear on this one.well said pal.

plum?

whats your thoughts surgeon

cherry?

apple?

Kumquat?

Drupe?

Hands up who googled the last two?

too busy thinking about fruits of the world to get involved right now boyzone........

I think Richard, Daryl and readthis have pretty much summed it up for me. Less tour dates with higher entry fees would increase payouts, which would attract better players and create stronger fields. Players benefit all round from this on many levels. Value needs to be added if we are to truely take the 9ball game in our country forward, just my opinion.

Players council should meet more regularly and discuss the issues that are holding us back. Don't agree with the utopian approach to 'get everyone involved', this is impractical and difficult to manage. The job of a council rep in my mind is voice the concerns of the players. To do this, the individuals on the council must take responsibility to champion the concerns of the players and the players need to trust the reps to deliver on this. Minutes and notes should be published after each meeting so everyone can see what's being discussed.

Appreciate that now is not the best time to tackle some of these issues, but the sooner we address the 'difficult questions' the better in my mind.

Nicely put. So can we advise who the council reps are, how to contact them and then close this thread?

diamond, mikeyfreedom, guilotine???

how about knocking an agenda together, sharing it on this forum, then discuss it at an appropriate time in the new year?

If people are busy, I'm happy to have a go.....