| Author |
GB9 Rules & Regulations |
|
Agentsoap
Home away from home
Joined: 30-Nov-2009
Posts: 258
From: Upper England
|
Posted: 2010-05-05 16:17
can someone please confirm that a cue with a brass ferrule can be legally used on the GB9 tour ?....had some say it's ok and others saying a big fat no no! ....having scoured all rules of 9 ball (WPA)and GB9 rules and it has no ruling whatsoever on what type of ferrule can or cannot be used ?...therefore if a player was to use say a "snooker" cue then if the ruling is not in writing anywhere it cannot be enforced. ...any referees or officials out there ?  ----------------- The Agent
|
|
The_Muse
Home away from home
Joined: 28-Jan-2010
Posts: 232
|
Posted: 2010-05-05 16:40
I had the same issue but then got an extra shaft made fitted with a phenolic ferrule. Its definitely going to play better than a brass ferrule I would say so if in doubt go ahead and do that.
Its a little bit off topic but in my opinion I think that players should be allowed to use Green Triangle Chalk on the tour as lots of us that come from English 8-Ball and Snooker are most comfortable with it. I don't see how removing the chalk is an issue and I know that I would be willing to clear up my own 'mess' if necessary as opposed to using any brand of blue chalk. It cakes the cue ball through a finish and the last thing that you need is a kick when shooting the 9-Ball! It may or not be psychological but I tested a Blue Master Chalk versus a Green Triangle Chalk comprehensively at my local venue and found the Blue Master Chalk to be inferior.
|
|
Agentsoap
Home away from home
Joined: 30-Nov-2009
Posts: 258
From: Upper England
|
Posted: 2010-05-05 16:52
On 2010-05-05 16:40 , The_Muse Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! I had the same issue but then got an extra shaft made fitted with a phenolic ferrule. Its definitely going to play better than a brass ferrule I would say so if in doubt go ahead and do that.
Its a little bit off topic but in my opinion I think that players should be allowed to use Green Triangle Chalk on the tour as lots of us that come from English 8-Ball and Snooker are most comfortable with it. I don't see how removing the chalk is an issue and I know that I would be willing to clear up my own 'mess' if necessary as opposed to using any brand of blue chalk. It cakes the cue ball through a finish and the last thing that you need is a kick when shooting the 9-Ball! It may or not be psychological but I tested a Blue Master Chalk versus a Green Triangle Chalk comprehensively at my local venue and found the Blue Master Chalk to be inferior. (I disagree that a phenolic ferrule will play "better" as i am playing excellent in practice) The chalk for me is not a problem - the problem is I qualified for the tour using my snooker cue as thats the only cue I had (never played 9 ball before)...and won 3 out of 4 matches to qualify...I then purchased a 13mm American pool cue expecting to improve my game with it and have ended up wasting about £800 on the first 2 events (not being able to hit a cows backside with a shovel etc,etc) ....having returned to using my snooker cue - I am playing 10 x better and would prefer to use it at Daventry - if I cannot use it - then I will consider dropping off the tour as I'm wasting my time and money with a 13mm pool cue ! (I don't want to alter my snooker cue as it was expensive and i still play snooker with it . ----------------- The Agent [ This message was edited by: Agentsoap on 2010-05-05 16:57 ]
|
|
Tookster
Just can't stay away
Joined: 30-Mar-2006
Posts: 93
From: Glasgow & Darwin
|
Posted: 2010-05-05 16:52
Dunno if it's illegal, but it will definitely screw your cue up if you use it for any prolonged time with the big balls...
|
|
Agentsoap
Home away from home
Joined: 30-Nov-2009
Posts: 258
From: Upper England
|
Posted: 2010-05-05 17:00
On 2010-05-05 16:52 , Tookster Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Dunno if it's illegal, but it will definitely screw your cue up if you use it for any prolonged time with the big balls... I know what you mean - the weight of the cue ball etc, but i am putting a large blue diamond tip on every couple of weeks to allow for impact damage - tip is 10.5mm and seems to cope well,my confidence in my snooker cue is 100% while it is about 5% with Pool cue...this has totally ruined the first 2 events for me -(I'm not saying that I'm gonna win the Tournament using my other cue - but at least i can compete with it,)  ----------------- The Agent [ This message was edited by: Agentsoap on 2010-05-05 17:06 ]
|
|
TonyDavid
Home away from home
Joined: 17-Apr-2006
Posts: 565
From: Cambridgeshire
|
Posted: 2010-05-05 17:55
I can fully appreciate where you are coming from. I started with a snooker cue, then I played with a 13mm pool cue, where my form dipped majorly, before using a Z2 shaft which is about 11.5mm. The Z2 is much better than 13mm shafts in my opinion, but I agree with you that it will never feel as good as a snooker cue. However, a lot of the top pro's manage to adapt to american cues ok.
|
|
The_Muse
Home away from home
Joined: 28-Jan-2010
Posts: 232
|
Posted: 2010-05-05 18:00
All I can say is that I now feel as though I am getting a better hit with the Phenolic Ferrule after switching. Should you stick with your Brass Ferrule the likelyhood is that this will become damaged over time and could even damage the Ash or Maple of your shaft. Should I be lucky enough to once again be called up as a reserve for Daventry I will let you play a few shots and you can see what you think with mine. Good Luck with things anyway!
|
|
Blackref
Home away from home
Joined: 27-Aug-2006
Posts: 179
|
Posted: 2010-05-05 18:10
Their is not an official ruling but some tournaments and club managers do not want you using brass ferrules as it over a period of time it causes little holes in the cloth. The other thing is the brass ferrule ends up splitting your shaft due to the heavier and larger balls. So to stop customers from using snooker cues in the clubs.
|
|
Agentsoap
Home away from home
Joined: 30-Nov-2009
Posts: 258
From: Upper England
|
Posted: 2010-05-05 19:29
On 2010-05-05 18:10 , Blackref Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Their is not an official ruling but some tournaments and club managers do not want you using brass ferrules as it over a period of time it causes little holes in the cloth. The other thing is the brass ferrule ends up splitting your shaft due to the heavier and larger balls. So to stop customers from using snooker cues in the clubs. I know what you are saying about holes in the cloth - but that only really happens when the tip is worn right down to the ferrule and you are using deep screw - I am using an oversized tip (11mm tip on 10.5mm ferrule) and I am replacing the tip every 2 x weeks,so marking the cloth isn't really an issue with my cue. ----------------- The Agent [ This message was edited by: Agentsoap on 2010-05-05 19:33 ]
|
|
The_Muse
Home away from home
Joined: 28-Jan-2010
Posts: 232
|
Posted: 2010-05-05 21:09
I feel for you on that one because it sounds like you are taking every precaution to protect the equipment you are playing on.
|
|
ashawthing
Home away from home
Joined: 29-Jan-2008
Posts: 288
From: Wirral, Merseyside
|
Posted: 2010-05-05 23:31
Why not sell the american cue you have bought and get a modified snooker cue made. Speak to Neil Cummins if you want one
|
|
Agentsoap
Home away from home
Joined: 30-Nov-2009
Posts: 258
From: Upper England
|
Posted: 2010-05-06 09:25
On 2010-05-05 23:31 , ashawthing Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Why not sell the american cue you have bought and get a modified snooker cue made. Speak to Neil Cummins if you want one I have recently sold it on ebay Adam,and have since tried a "modified" cue (Paul Morgan removed a 12.5mm brass ferrule for me and replaced it with an 11mm phenolic one at Blackpool) although he did a great job,in a very limited time scale- I still had no confidence in the cue (it was a bit of a "hybrid" cue thrown together for me by John Coleman of Arch Fine Cues) it had a Brunswick American Pool butt and John added a maple shaft from an old snooker cue. I will soon be putting it on ebay too ! so -I have tried all kinds of remedies but still only play well and confidently with my snooker cue !.....guess I'll just have to take it to Daventry and see what happens......was just unsure of any rules regarding cues,ferrules.tips etc ......(people have said different things about it)but I have browsed all rule sites and can find nothing on the subject so I am guessing that there should be no probs...? I can understand club owners not wanting someone with say a 9 - 9.5mm brass ferrule hacking at expensive Pool balls and tearing the cloth up - but mine has an 11mm oversized tip and having made a few centuries in snooker (reached 3 x finals this year + highest break trophy in league division) I'm certainly no "Hacker" and I practice with a proper sized "Pro T.V regulation spotted cue ball and have no difficulty or issues with it ie, no "miscues "etc........  ----------------- The Agent [ This message was edited by: Agentsoap on 2010-05-06 09:38 ]
|
|
nige
Just popping in
Joined: 02-Jan-2008
Posts: 19
From: Leicester
|
Posted: 2010-05-08 14:00
Although I have nothing to do with GB9, I would guess that if you cannot find anything in their rules banning brass ferrules, then they would be allowed.
I would also guess that GB9 would align themselves with the official world rules. -I believe these allow brass ferrules but have a limit on their maximum length.
A normal length brass ferrule on a snooker would be well within this length limit.
IMO
|
|
Agentsoap
Home away from home
Joined: 30-Nov-2009
Posts: 258
From: Upper England
|
Posted: 2010-05-08 15:15
On 2010-05-08 14:00 , nige Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Although I have nothing to do with GB9, I would guess that if you cannot find anything in their rules banning brass ferrules, then they would be allowed.
I would also guess that GB9 would align themselves with the official world rules. -I believe these allow brass ferrules but have a limit on their maximum length.
A normal length brass ferrule on a snooker would be well within this length limit.
IMO I have recently been in touch with GB9 officials and there is no ruling on the above query - therefore there will be no problem using my snooker cue on the Tour !....(might win a rack now !)  ----------------- The Agent
|
|
nipper
Home away from home
Joined: 17-Mar-2006
Posts: 329
From: harrow middlesex
|
Posted: 2010-05-08 16:31
wpa regs permit metal ferrules up to 1" long
|
|
Agentsoap
Home away from home
Joined: 30-Nov-2009
Posts: 258
From: Upper England
|
Posted: 2010-05-08 17:04
good stuff !
|
