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andystoke
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Posted: 2008-07-15 07:54
On 2008-07-14 22:19 , dynamitedaz Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! On 2008-07-14 22:09 , Riggers Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! Just got home about 8pm. Very tired now.
Thanks for the kind words, particularly about the club and the staff of Rileys Scarborough. I'm glad people made their views known about Kelly and her team because they really were a class above in every respect.
As for all the other comments on this thread... Well despite some kind words from some clearly we are not doing enough and not running this tour properly. We cannot get the rules right, and obviously as well as all the pre-tournament work I do instead of doing my day job properly and all the effort put into the event itself (when I'm actually supposed to be playing like the rest of you), I should also be watching the matches and refereeing them. Or perhaps Shir should be refereeing the final as well as everything else she's had to do in her 17 hour days?
Think I'll take up golf again.
u got wrong end of stick as usual pal
nobody knocking the work you put in and how well its run , all thats first class... and we appreciate that well i certainly do..
but regards to sportmanship well thats out of your hands ,thats down to each individual and unfortunatley where in a game where there is too many of them... and because of that reason these people are spoiling the rules and not playing to them.. which then fumes a few players and questions need to be asked about changing the rules so the cheating can be stopped.... and my view only way is 9 on the spot and forget the 3 point rule .. losing 3 point rule means soft cut break even with 9 on the spot.... 2001 wpc mike immonen won doing exactly this, check youtube, 9 is on the spot there, everyone started soft breaking
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Cletus
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Posted: 2008-07-15 09:56
well, i think that a lot of the breaks (3 point fail) will have been missed innocently, and without any intent to cheat; at least i hope so. To cheat is never acceptable............... i find it difficult to believe that people spoke to others of how they blatantly disregarded the 3 point rule. i myself cannot see a way around the problem. If you abolish the 3 point rule, you have a soft break. With the 3 point rule you have the chance of unnoticed foul breaks. Move the 9 up a spot and you have a soft cut; unless you adopt the Mosconi point rule WITH the raised 9 It seems a shame to remove the essence of 9 ball; and the break is its integral ingredient............i suppose if we want continuity without the certainty, (i.e, a non guaranteed wing ball) we need to take up 10 ball regards [ This message was edited by: Cletus on 2008-07-15 09:58 ]
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9balldog
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Posted: 2008-07-15 10:31
3-point rule isnt great i made 2 balls in one my matches but had to forfiet my next shot,that dosent seem right,if it your advantage to break u shouls be able to play whatever break you like like in tennis you can serve hard or soft up to the player, this is called strategic play what works for you,
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dazzler
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Posted: 2008-07-15 10:44
i agree -----------------  [ This message was edited by: dazzler on 2008-07-17 15:31 ]
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dazzler
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Posted: 2008-07-15 10:49
On 2008-07-15 10:31 , 9balldog Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! 3-point rule isnt great i made 2 balls in one my matches but had to forfiet my next shot,that dosent seem right,if it your advantage to break u shouls be able to play whatever break you like like in tennis you can serve hard or soft up to the player, this is called strategic play what works for you, I personally dont like the 3 point rule, but rules are rules and we should ALL stick by them. -----------------
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Cletus
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Posted: 2008-07-15 10:51
i couldnt run out for the guilt!
to be the best, you have to act accordingly; it seems to me that knowingly carrying on, is as bad as touching a ball and keeping quiet - we have no referees......we need to judge ourselves and not have the attitude that it is up to the opposition to catch us out.........
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Cletus
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Posted: 2008-07-15 11:41
nah i never seen that - but certainly sounds well out of order
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cusack_147
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Posted: 2008-07-15 11:49
On 2008-07-15 11:23 , MachineGun Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! I might be naive and don't have anywhere near the experience most of the GB9 guys have, but if the 3 point rule is being abused then surely it is up to the opponent to point that out?
Obviously, some guys are more sporting and honest than others but if you know that there are a few bad apples on the tour, shouldn't we keep an eye out for them. I know I'll be watching every break carefully from now on.
What I found more shocking and unsportsman -like was the slow play in Tony Drago's match on Friday. I'm pretty sure the guy was taking over a minute on a fwe shots. Did anyone video that match? I know some guys are slower than others, but that was a total joke. He even sat in Drago's chair and threw balls down the table whilst Drago was on the 9. Who was Drago playin?
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maxi
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Posted: 2008-07-15 11:54
I can't find this video, anyone got a link?
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phil9ball
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Posted: 2008-07-15 12:15
lol sounds like my sort of pace? but it wasn't me! great event by the way! I'm gutted after coming back to beat Darren Appleton that I didn't then keep the pace and beat Scott....well done on reaching the final though mate! well deserved 
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balabushka-kid
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Posted: 2008-07-15 12:15
The fact that you like Drago as a fast player has no bearing on the rules, and there are no rules as far as I'm aware that dictate the time you take to take a shot. The only exception is when a shot clock is in force at the descretion of the tourney official. Anyway, I think someone of Mr Drago's experience should be able to handle a bit of slow play, even if you don't like it.
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Monkey-Boy
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Posted: 2008-07-15 12:24
Sorry to be a pain in the fool...but could someone expand on the Break rule that is in place at the GB9 events? Or could some one PM me and explain.
Sounds like the Tourny was well run...shame that cheating has been going on...
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Cletus
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Posted: 2008-07-15 12:25
yes he should but we cannot legislate for taking the mickey (whether or not that happened, i don't know as i did not see any of these incidents) a shame all the same [ This message was edited by: BigDave on 2008-07-15 16:11 ]
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9balldog
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Posted: 2008-07-15 12:48
the guy u talking bout who plyed drago is actually one of the nicest blokes u r likley to meet he plays like that its his style, i can asure he meant nothing bye that.hes got great respect for other players and when hes beat he looses gracefuly
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stox
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Posted: 2008-07-15 12:55
The guy playing Drago was a good friend of mine - Neil Cummins.
As 9balldog says Neil is not like that at all and has always taken his time when playing his shots. That's his style just like Drago's is the complete opposite.
Knowing Neil as I do I can assure you that he would never try to shark anyone as it's just not in his nature. If anything, during this match I think his opponents behaviour should be questioned and not Neil's.
That said, both players involved in this particular match had a chat and good laugh about it on the Saturday night and it has now been forgotten. I think maybe we should all leave it at that.
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MachineGun
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Posted: 2008-07-15 12:56
Fair enough
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Ads
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Posted: 2008-07-15 13:06
Completely agree with Stox. I played Neil in his debut tour match at Harrow and i can't for a second believe that he done it to shark anybody. He is a really nice guy and another thing that looks like it could have been blown out of proportion.
Personally, regarding the break rule, i'm not going to say that the rule needs changing as thats not really for me to decide, but more that the attitude of players sometimes needs changing. I can understand the odd mistake with the rules just because, even after 4 events, not all players are used to it, but blatently ignoring them when it is obvious that they have spotted it it just wrong.
Saying that it would also be wrong for soembody else to have stepped in and said that it was a foul break, as it is up to the either of the players to spot this.
This happened the other day in a match i was watching involving two good friends of mine. One foul breaked in the very first rack and nobody noticed, for another of my friends to mention to the non-breaker that it was a foul break. i dont think thats fair either
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dazzler
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Posted: 2008-07-15 13:10
On 2008-07-15 11:23 , MachineGun Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! I might be naive and don't have anywhere near the experience most of the GB9 guys have, but if the 3 point rule is being abused then surely it is up to the opponent to point that out?
Obviously, some guys are more sporting and honest than others but if you know that there are a few bad apples on the tour, shouldn't we keep an eye out for them. I know I'll be watching every break carefully from now on.
What I found more shocking and unsportsman -like was the slow play in Tony Drago's match on Friday. I'm pretty sure the guy was taking over a minute on a fwe shots. Did anyone video that match? I know some guys are slower than others, but that was a total joke. He even sat in Drago's chair and threw balls down the table whilst Drago was on the 9. As others have already mentioned Neil normally takes his time anyway. Tony Drago has had this "tactic" played against him many times throughout his career and he has learnt how to handle it....after all, slow play to a certain extend is well within the rules....you see this in all sports alike. Its a tactic, its not cheating such as moving in front of your opponent just as he is about to shoot for example I dont see nothing wrong in a bit of "gamesmanship" but when the rack is in progress sit still and shut up. Just my thoughts. ----------------- [ This message was edited by: dazzler on 2008-07-17 15:33 ]
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Monkey-Boy
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Posted: 2008-07-15 13:49
On 2008-07-15 13:10 , dazzler Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!!
I dont see nothing wrong in a bit of "gamesmanship" but when the rack is in progress sit still and shut up.
Just my thoughts.
agreed...the sport is about respect...and not sitting still, keeping quiet is disrespectful towards your opponent. totally agree on the gamesmanship comment aswell Dazzler...thats what makes playing with mates fun!
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cowie
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Posted: 2008-07-15 14:13
all this talk around the changeover when the three point rule is not made.
Im with Chris when he said I would feel guilty by carrying on, as I couldnt do that.
However, surely the opponent who is watching the break, should be watching the break like a hawk and approaching the table if a changeover is needed?
You find with all sports there is people out there who will bend the rules, or just not adhere to them..not that I think this is right as it is not at all.
I played my last 64 match on sunday morning, and I approached the table when the rule was brought into play, even though andy would have never carried on, as he is an honest player.
I do think that players need to be more aware when the rack is split.
A great weekend. Mr Burton, well played on Sunday, a right war we had on table 18!!!!!
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