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Destroyer
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Posted: 2007-12-14 10:14
cant believe no comments about the shambolic break rule. you can pot two balls but if none pass the headstring its loss of turn. i know this is to stop the soft break but its surely embarrassing for the players! [ This message was edited by: Destroyer on 2007-12-14 10:14 ]
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-12-14 11:49
On 2007-12-14 10:14 , Destroyer Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! cant believe no comments about the shambolic break rule. you can pot two balls but if none pass the headstring its loss of turn. i know this is to stop the soft break but its surely embarrassing for the players! How many times did they get called dry when they had potted at least one ball?
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-boyzi-
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Posted: 2007-12-14 12:33
i love the new rule personally,give them a good old crack like archer is doing..where seeing more safteys which means best player will win more often than not,
as a new 9ball player i want to learn as much as possible and playing a game where the wing goes straight in and there tapped so 1 or 2 more pocket..ie your playing 6n7 ball any half decent player can pot them.
this way you have to work hard for your finishes and have alot of table knowledge.
also after the break at least the crowd are getting involved which is what the sport needs(just like in manila)
also id like to know the cut of pocket cos it looks quite tight which will be better for the game.the more pressure the more twitches,which means more crowd involvment which means more atmosphere.
i think matchroom have got it spot on here and im glad they keep trying new things out to make it better i think this is the future.i just hope the rest of the pool world knows it and follows suit.
boyzi............loves the new rule well done MATCHROOM
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The_Stuntman
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Posted: 2007-12-14 12:51
I do hope team Europe will take the trophy but they are the underdogs.Let me point out that experience matters a lot in the Mosconi Cup.Team USA undergoes changes but these changes are minor.Strickland,Archer and Morris have been in the team together for many years.Even if there are player changes,it is only 1 or 2 like for example this year we have Shane Van Boening.
Europe on the other hand don't have regulars.PLaying with the same players for many years trains them how to cope and 'go to war' together.There is this understanding.Souquet used to feature a lot but was out for a caertain period.Drago and Stepanov are new.This is Peach's second time and Feijen has also been in and out.They are great players but playing at the Mosconi really puts pressure on them.I hope they gain some experience and the team doesn't change so much next year.Let them get the feel for this tournament and be able to compete better in years to come.We can remember those days when Ortmann captained the side,there were only minor changes.The Europeans lost(except 2002) but the deficit was smaller.
I hope the Europeans can some out strong today!Come On EUROPE!!!
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thecreature
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Posted: 2007-12-14 12:52
Anyone know EXACT measurement of these pockets(mosconi) compared to those in world c'ships???
(i know i'm being specific but some statohead might know!!)
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mal_clarke
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Posted: 2007-12-14 12:58
Tight pockets would be good, but the Rileys management must be quivering. I think Riggers (or a bold tournament director) should do a tournament with a breaking box and see how that goes.
I think the teams should be bigger, it would be great to see more players.
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Riggers
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Posted: 2007-12-14 13:08
I completely agree about the break rule and this has really brought the excitement back to the game. it would be great to play GB9 under similar conditions but unfortunately we don't enjoy those same conditions... - We don't have a referee racking the balls - We work to a very strict time schedule of 90 mins per match - many of the tables we play on are not new cloths - many of the tables we play on have already been tapped for local competitions So it's not just as simple as implementing the same rule in GB9 events. However, it might be an idea to try the 9 on the spot and break box as an experiment in the Pro event only just to see how it goes. We should remember that Ted (and Daryl on the EPT)introduced tapped tables to the UK at the request of top players as an attempt to speed up play and cut down on the waiting around. What do players value more... specified match times or non-tapped tables? [ This message was edited by: Riggers on 2007-12-14 13:12 ]
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striker
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Posted: 2007-12-14 13:15
some times bad luck causes 3 balls not to go by the headstring,2 balls would be good imo. great to see though this cranking the break instead of the predictable soft break in the world championships,as in dyno`s post watching 9 ball in oneside on non tapped tables where as the player really has to crack the white and have a good safety game is the art of 9 ball,as boyzi said when balls are guaranteed to go in and only leaves 6 or 7 balls left even myself can run racks lol.this system in the mosconi cup is the way forward and brings out all aspects of 9 ball to the table,i love watching players who have a monster break and can control the white,important part of the game of which players over the years have practiced andpracticed to perfect it,for only back room staff to bring in the soft break and ruin it,soft break and guaranted balls spoil it due to not much safety play and shot making goin on. oneside in manila awesome place to watch top real 9 ballers apply there trade,everything the game of 9 ball is about is needed to succeed in there. mind you what do i know im just a prize fund booster like jump shot  oh and dvali  any chance of my case diamond out of youe loft,chuck a few goodies in it aswell for good measure and whens the next meeting at your gaff. good fun that �20 ring game mate we had other day ----------------- beware dangerous player on his way [ This message was edited by: striker on 2007-12-14 13:19 ]
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Steady
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Posted: 2007-12-14 13:50
On 2007-12-14 01:16 , dynamitedaz Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! just sad the rules and conditions we play to on euro tour and uk events! these tapped tables massive bags tap break etc got to stop!
have played 7 euro tours and learnt nothing!
have spent 3 months in america and 3 months in philippines in past 12 months playing money games in the toughest conditions and some comps and have learnt more in that 6 months than what i ever will playing euro tours and uk events!! its time europe and uk woke up and smelt the coffee!
you can see how much more table knowledge usa have over european and have so many more shots up there sleeve and such better shot makers! and with rules there playing to it much better to watch and learn! and this the way it should be all time! hopefully matchroom will do this with all events now!! and everyone in europe will follow HEAR! HEAR! We all need know, if the sport stays exciting people will want to watch. in my opinion last nights games although the teams didn't play with greatest consistency the many table visits and variety of shots made for fantastic viewing.... Whats been said about table knowledge is so true........ in english 8 ball and snooker table knowledge and hard work to gain success is needed. 9ball should need this too...... I liked what boyzi said above: "as a new 9ball player i want to learn as much as possible and playing a game where the wing goes straight in and there tapped so 1 or 2 more pocket..ie your playing 6n7 ball any half decent player can pot them". I think tapped tables have been fun but i'm happy to see that maybe the novelty could of finaly worn off........... Michael Fingers crossed for our euro team tonight, we need a exciting final.  [ This message was edited by: Steady on 2007-12-14 13:53 ]
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dynamitedaz
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Posted: 2007-12-14 14:59
On 2007-12-14 10:14 , Destroyer Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! cant believe no comments about the shambolic break rule. you can pot two balls but if none pass the headstring its loss of turn. i know this is to stop the soft break but its surely embarrassing for the players! i think the players were showing themselves up by applying a cut break with pace.. if the hit the break full on am sure 3 balls will pass the line! am just happy to see some pool and get to see players weaknesses and strenghs..
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dynamitedaz
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Posted: 2007-12-14 15:06
On 2007-12-14 12:51 , The_Stuntman Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! I do hope team Europe will take the trophy but they are the underdogs.Let me point out that experience matters a lot in the Mosconi Cup.Team USA undergoes changes but these changes are minor.Strickland,Archer and Morris have been in the team together for many years.Even if there are player changes,it is only 1 or 2 like for example this year we have Shane Van Boening.
Europe on the other hand don't have regulars.PLaying with the same players for many years trains them how to cope and 'go to war' together.There is this understanding.Souquet used to feature a lot but was out for a caertain period.Drago and Stepanov are new.This is Peach's second time and Feijen has also been in and out.They are great players but playing at the Mosconi really puts pressure on them.I hope they gain some experience and the team doesn't change so much next year.Let them get the feel for this tournament and be able to compete better in years to come.We can remember those days when Ortmann captained the side,there were only minor changes.The Europeans lost(except 2002) but the deficit was smaller.
I hope the Europeans can some out strong today!Come On EUROPE!!! another problem americans team more or less hand picked but always leave a spot open i know rodney was telling me some of there players are contracted to matchroom where the euro pean team we never know how the teams going to get picked except one or 2 spots.. but to keep same team dont agree at all especially when imo there is better players in europe than most of current team ,the team will always be different and especially with way its picked!
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RACKRUNNER21
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Posted: 2007-12-14 15:25
!!! QUOTE !!!
another problem
americans team more or less hand picked but always leave a spot open i know rodney was telling me some of there players are contracted to matchroom
where the euro pean team we never know how the teams going to get picked except one or 2 spots..
but to keep same team dont agree at all especially when imo there is better players in europe than most of current team ,the team will always be different and especially with way its picked!
So who would you leave out of this team and who would you replace them with?
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Crazycue
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Posted: 2007-12-14 15:25
"Better players in Europe than the current team"
Who would you have picked in place of / in addition to the current team?
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Crazycue
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Posted: 2007-12-14 15:26
Beat me to the question rackrunner!!!! lol
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Steady
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Posted: 2007-12-14 15:27
DYNAMITEDAZ wrote...."i think the players were showing themselves up by applying a cut break with pace.. if the hit the break full on am sure 3 balls will pass the line! am just happy to see some pool and get to see players weaknesses and strenghs.." Dynamite on that strenghs and weaknesses.. do you think the American team played one to many swerve shots, I counted 3 times when they selected to play a bend instead of a jump which then resulted in a foul. Archer showed he can jump real well yet in a different rack he tried what seemed to look like a impossible bend shot???? giving euor ball in hand???? [ This message was edited by: Steady on 2007-12-14 16:18 ]
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dynamitedaz
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Posted: 2007-12-14 16:16
yeah we all can make wrong decisions but at same time am a big fan of archer and what his achieved in the game but its obvious his not in the best of form but am sure he will pick up today,when your playing good you see the shots clearly when your not playing good you second guess your decidions alot! and that happened alot last night!
as for team then
of course i think am good enough to make that team but i havent earnt the right but hopefully in future that will change!!
but when you got likes of hohman,ortman,immonan,chamat,van den berg, etc i just feel the team we got this year is the weakest we have ever had imo! but fair play to the players who are playing and i wish them well!
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Deano
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Posted: 2007-12-14 16:30
I'm with you Daz, there are far stronger players in euro that could have been picked to play, i orig thought we might turn the yanks over this year but with the changes to the break i now think we'll be on the end of a proper kicking...
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machinehill
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Posted: 2007-12-14 16:34
of course i dont know the ins and outs...... however here goes with my opinion.......
the usa team that as been selected is the the team 90% of the playing world would have chosen... svb...earl...archer.....rodders...corey.... to me its not rocket science at all, its an obvious team pick...they play on tough conditions all the time i believe, therefore they get a consistent team year after year cos the same players are the best players!...now ok earl isnt the player is was but he hasnt been for a while.however usually he performs well at the mosconi cup....(colin montgomerie is not the player he was but put in the ryder cup and he is a world beater)....
however europe as such as strange selection process... mainly based on blokes running around playing 6ball on pockets were you could get a football to rattle in the jaws, i mean if you get beat regular then you have to assess what is going wrong!.... we seem to think that europe and indeed the uk is taking over the world but and its a big but the conditions are playing right into our hands....
break.....dont need one!
safety games.... mediocre will do!
kicking ability.....forget it!
potting ability......yes!
good cue action....yes!
the european team can never be consistent with regards to clientel because the conditions allow for there to be a different top8 at every given time.... ralf souquet,thorten, to name just two must be thinking whats this all about.. ive played 10-20yrs travel around the world and learned my trade to turn up at my own tour(eurotour) watch people play 6ball and keep running out with only 30-40% of any kinda a 9ball game needed.....
i would imagine some of our team dont know whtas hit them with this format and criteria how could they when they havnt earned there spot under these conditions.....
e.g a golfer plays a par 3 course everyday for 6mths under par..... phone call.....your
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9ball
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Posted: 2007-12-14 17:30
I can't beleive I am actually saying this but drago and stepanov should NEVER have been picked for the team, in my opinion the two players who should have had there spots were thorsten and oliver. Man euorope s***, the americans will run away with this and you can bank on it that we won't get to the fourth and final night. [ This message was edited by: 9ball on 2007-12-14 17:32 ]
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thecreature
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Posted: 2007-12-14 18:01
the first team match coulda went either way really, and i think everyone agrees step and drago should have won their match, so therefore with europe then 3-2 up overnight,would anybody have had the gripes they have about the euro team???
hindsight is tremendous!!
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