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dynamitedaz
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Posted: 2008-09-16 10:54
i dont really see gb9 tour coming into play ad yes its nice to win but its a national tour.. matchroom will be looking at euro tour rankings and what players have done on world stage this year hopefully  .. from a selfish point of view i hope they look at rankings after switzerland as i think i would need to have a mare to not be no 1 in rankings lol
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Ads
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Posted: 2008-09-16 11:12
lol, obviously you;d also be a great chaoice Daz, bringing some 8-ball experiance to the team also.
Whatever the team i feel we have more than enough potential to retain the cup. Hopefully i can be out there watching it with you guys
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dazzler
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Posted: 2008-09-16 14:13
On 2008-09-16 10:54 , dynamitedaz Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! i dont really see gb9 tour coming into play ad yes its nice to win but its a national tour..
from a selfish point of view i hope they look at rankings after switzerland as i think i would need to have a mare to not be no 1 in rankings lol Daz, Thomas Engert is virtually certain to top the rankings after Swiss, at the start of play after players have had there points taken off etc, he will be top (before a ball is hit in Swiss) So it will be : Engert 2180 Muratore 2090 Majid 2010 Appleton 2000 Feijen 1960 Then there is a gap to the next player. So as you see, you would have to make up 180 pts on Engert. But i am pretty sure that the rankings only count after Holland event (that is the cut off mark) ----------------- 
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spoony
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Posted: 2008-09-16 15:22
On 2008-09-16 11:12 , Ads Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! lol, obviously you;d also be a great chaoice Daz, bringing some 8-ball experiance to the team also.
not sure what good daz's 8-ball experience would do especially when the mosconi is a 9-ball event
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dynamitedaz
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Posted: 2008-09-16 15:51
On 2008-09-16 14:13 , dazzler Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! On 2008-09-16 10:54 , dynamitedaz Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! i dont really see gb9 tour coming into play ad yes its nice to win but its a national tour..
from a selfish point of view i hope they look at rankings after switzerland as i think i would need to have a mare to not be no 1 in rankings lol
Daz, Thomas Engert is virtually certain to top the rankings after Swiss, at the start of play after players have had there points taken off etc, he will be top (before a ball is hit in Swiss)
So it will be :
Engert 2180
Muratore 2090
Majid 2010
Appleton 2000
Feijen 1960
Then there is a gap to the next player.
So as you see, you would have to make up 180 pts on Engert.
But i am pretty sure that the rankings only count after Holland event (that is the cut off mark)
well my calculations with the guys you mentioned after taking there points to come of from switz last year looks like this.. 1.bruno matureo 2090 2.myself 2000 3.fiejen 1960 4.engert 1930 5.imran 1735 am pretty sure am 100% right. all am saying there 2 spots available if i can do well 10ball and us open if no 1 or 2 on euro tour hopefully ill be in with chance... other year when alcaide got picked he was no 16 on euro tour and reached last 16 of wc9ball ...if pat holtz had played euro tour the same year and if he had been no 15 or above alcaide am sure pat holtz would have got picked in front of alcaide.. so way i see it and would think most other players when they picking the last man usually after world 9ball am sure euro tour ranking will be a major factor especially if few european players did well without winning the tournament.... so am sure the world 10ball and us open and who is ranked where on euro tour come end of us open event will be the key factors to who gets the last spot or 2...well thats how it should be imo... but we will see like you said.
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malaguista
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Posted: 2008-09-16 15:59
Unless there is something wrong with my maths, after taking off last year's Swiss points, both Muratore and Feijen head Engert.
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dynamitedaz
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Posted: 2008-09-16 16:01
On 2008-09-16 11:12 , Ads Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! lol, obviously you;d also be a great chaoice Daz, bringing some 8-ball experiance to the team also.
Whatever the team i feel we have more than enough potential to retain the cup. Hopefully i can be out there watching it with you guys thanks but like spoony said its a different game but yes i have had lots of expereince playing team matches on tv for england and away from tv,and believe i would bring alot to the team on and off the table and i have had lot of success in team play... hopefully ill gt my chance one day its no secret that its my main goal to make the team as i love the event and i believe it would bring the best out of me... but there other players candidates also... but whatever the team am sure they will win also congrats to mark gray to be no 1 for all of 2008 is a fantastic achievement and he deserves his chance and am sure he will play his part...
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Crazycue
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Posted: 2008-09-16 16:14
Daz,
What about Ralf - looks like he should on the list???
After Swiss deduction, he has approx 1860 points?
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malaguista
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Posted: 2008-09-16 16:14
This how they will start in Switzerland. The Swiss results will add or subtract from these figures  [ This message was edited by: malaguista on 2008-09-16 16:16 ]
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dynamitedaz
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Posted: 2008-09-16 16:42
Euro-Tour Ranking
on 14 September 2008
1 GRAY Mark GBR 2370 - 630
2 MURATORE Bruno ITA 2365 -275
3 FEIJEN Niels NED 2260 -300
4 ENGERT Thomas GER 2180 -250
5 VAN DEN BERG Nick NED 2180 -350
6 SOUQUET Ralf GER 2085 220
7 MAJID Imran GBR 2010 -275
8 APPLETON Darren GBR 2000 -0
9 ALCAIDE David ESP 1945 -420
10 ORTMANN Oliver GER 1945 -420
11 DRAGO Tony MLT 1935 275
12 JUVA Markus FIN 1915 -0
13 FOLDES Vilmos HUN 1910 -510
14 BABICA Radoslaw POL 1860 -275
15 KEMPTER Martin AUT 1845 -180
16 REIMERING Christian GER 1805 -235
17 BOYES Karl GBR 1800 -0
18 PETRONI Fabio ITA 1770 -275
19 CHINAHOV Ruslan RUS 1765 -350
20 STEPANOV Konstantin RUS 1765 -235
21 CHAMAT Marcus SWE 1750 -0
22 PEACH Daryl GBR 1750 -275
23 SNIEGOCKI Mateusz POL 1710 -250
24 CANKURT Mehmet TUR 1700 -220
rankings after taking swiitz points off
1.Bruno Murotore 2090
2.Darren Appleton 2000
3.Neils Fiejen 1960
4.Thomas Engert 1930
5.Marcus Juva 1915
6.Ralf Souquet 1865
7.Nick Vandenberg 1830
8.Karl Boyes 1800
9.Marcus Chamat 1750
10.Mark Gray 1740
11.Imran Majid 1735
12.Martin Kemper 1665
13.Tony Drago 1660
14.Radoslow Babica 1590
15.C Reimering 1570
16.K Stepanov 1530
17.David Alcaide 1525
18.Oliver Ortman 1525
19.Fabio Petroni 1495
20.M Cankurt 1480
21.Daryl Peach 1475
22.Sniegocki 1460
23.Chiniov 1415
24.V Voldes 1410
am pretty sure thats correct...
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Crazycue
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Posted: 2008-09-16 16:55
I think I know whats going on now....
Mal is taking the full 6 events on the rankings??
Daz is taking the 6 events, minus the lowest ranked event?
I suppose technically they are both correct, dependant on how you look at them.....
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dynamitedaz
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Posted: 2008-09-16 17:00
am taking them how i see them work..lol
i know at next event i got no points to come of all points i get in switz i keep where all players obove have got points to come of ie the points they got in switz last year...lol
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jaymo
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Posted: 2008-09-16 18:50
personally i can,t wait for the actual time to come and the mosconi to kick off watch mark make his debut being a spurs supporter he needs a bit of luck lol
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SpongeBob
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Posted: 2008-09-16 22:34
On 2008-09-16 10:54 , dynamitedaz Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! other year when alcaide got picked he was no 16 on euro tour and reached last 16 of wc9ball ...if pat holtz had played euro tour the same year and if he had been no 15 or above alcaide am sure pat holtz would have got picked in front of alcaide..
karl boyes could be in top 8 after next eurotour and at the recent world pool champs won bronze medal so surely he could be in the mix?
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malaguista
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Posted: 2008-09-17 06:36
On 2008-09-16 16:55 , Crazycue Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! I think I know whats going on now....
Mal is taking the full 6 events on the rankings??
Daz is taking the 6 events, minus the lowest ranked event?
I suppose technically they are both correct, dependant on how you look at them.....
There is no "technically" about this, I am right and Daz is wrong. (I'll explain it to you in LA Cafe soon Daz and you can buy me a San Mig Light!!) From the moment the Swiss event starts, everyone loses the points they obtained in the same event last year which means that the points that I show above are those with which everyone starts with. In the case of Bruno for example, he scored 630 in Spain, 300 in France, 510 in Italy, 235 in Germany, 300 in Austria and 350 in Holland. That all adds up to 2325 points. If he scores less than 235 in Switzerland, he will stay on 2325 points, if he scores more he will have that added to 2325 and 235 taken off. Therefore, if he gets to the last 32, his score of 2325 will improve by 40 points, if he fails, his score will remain at 2325 In Daz's case, he is making a big mistake saying that he has nothing to lose. The event in which he scored 0 points was in Swizerland last year, therefore he goes into this year's tournament with 2000 points which he has obtained in the last six events, if he scores less than 220 in Switzerland he will remain on 2000 points. Daz thinks that he has nothing to come off in Swiy¡tzerland but that is the mistake he is making, he can't keep points from seven events. Assuming that Muratore will qualify for the last 32, his new score will be 2365. Daz would have to win the event to pass Bruno because his 2000 points would be reduced by 220 leaving him with 1780, he would need 585 to pass Bruno and he can only get that by winning. There you are, maths lesson over!!! [ This message was edited by: malaguista on 2008-09-17 06:50 ]
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malaguista
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Posted: 2008-09-17 06:58
One of the problems with winning or coming second on the Eurotour is that the day will come when you lose a huge amount of points.
Take Mark for example. His points will be reduced by a massive 630 when he starts the next event
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Ads
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Posted: 2008-09-17 09:15
On 2008-09-16 15:22 , spoony Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! On 2008-09-16 11:12 , Ads Wrote:!!! QUOTE !!! lol, obviously you;d also be a great chaoice Daz, bringing some 8-ball experiance to the team also.
When i said this i meant the experiance that Daz would bring to the table from playing in Major competitions at 8-ball, i see i didn't say it in the right way but i didn't mean because of 8-ball as a game, but the pressure aspect of team events ect.
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dazzler
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Posted: 2008-09-17 13:31
good system init !!!!!  Even when you know exactly how the system works, it can still catch you out sometimes. -----------------
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maxi
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Posted: 2008-09-17 15:21
What is the reason for having a ranking system where you take 7 results and just deduct the lowest ranking score?
Why not just have your ranking based on the last 6 events?
So basically Darren has 2000, and if he gets more than 220 points at the next event he just adds the difference betwwen 220 and whatever he earns at the next event. So even winning the event he will have 2410 points.
Only reason I can see for using this type of ranking system is to help the top players stay at the top for longer if they have one bad tournament.
Doesn't seem a very fair system.
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malaguista
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Posted: 2008-09-17 15:49
I don't think the system is bad at all. It rewards consistency. The top players should always be somewhere near the top but if they have a bad day as everyone can or for some reason they can't attend a tournament they don't get punished too much. [ This message was edited by: malaguista on 2008-09-17 15:51 ]
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